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Oh my heart aches for this person. I won’t put their name in here, or their websites, but I will share with you my reply to someone who went about things all right but it turned out all wrong.

Scenario: A retiree, looking to launch a work-at-home career, invests money in products and tools to learn online marketing. Learns the technical skills like you wouldn’t believe. A real go getter – implements advice, doesn’t just read about it.

By all accounts, you’d think this person should be making bank by now. But no. Sadly, this person was guided by the people who teach it all wrong:

  • The ones who emphasize picking a profitable niche (over one you want to be in).
  • The ones who have you buy a fancy keyword tool so you can spend hours researching the exact right phrase to write an article on.
  • The ones who advocate scraping and spinning and minor editing of other people’s content.
  • The ones who teach you to SEO the ever living hell out of your website – because obviously, you have to GAME the system to BEAT the system, right?
  • The ones who NEVER even mention the word “leadership” or “personality” when teaching you – because it’s all about making sure you have an exact keyword density, right?
  • The ones who conveniently sell readymade sites and personal coaching you have to take out a second mortgage for in order to succeed.

These are not good people. These are scumbags.

So this person spent time reading, learning, applying – and finally came to me lost and confused as to why, with their slick professional site (one even I was envious of as far as looks), they had ZERO traffic? With 800+ pages indexed in Google – why no traffic?

I asked for a few examples of their sites. They were all over the map. Various health niches and other stuff. They had one great site (partially) – a blog with one awesome blog post on it. The rest – stuff I would scrap.

So here was my advice to this person, below…with sites and names removed. (Please see if it might also resemble what you’re doing – because this is why I’ve shifted my entire approach here from “Internet Marketing” to “Leadership and Publishing.”)

Hi (name removed)!

Okay I can only give MY insight :) Take it or leave it.

The sites LOOK nice. Real professional. Google has all your sites indexed. But take (one of his health sites) for instance – Alexa has it non existent, even though Google has over 800 pages indexed.

To be honest, if I go looking for health information, I automatically head to Google and when MayoClinic shows up or WebMD or something, I click on it. If I landed on your site, I’d think it’s wayyyyy too ad heavy and I don’t know who the expert is, so I’d leave.

What I read in your initial email is that you want to make this online career thing work, you’re definitely learning the ropes with those sites, but the overall strategy isn’t right.

You’re not being a leader anywhere – you’re just putting up the exact type of sites Google’s trying to bury right now with their algorithm changes.

You say you’ve paid your dues. You have. And what I’m about to say isn’t going to feel right – not yet. Not until you keep failing and finally either quit or feel like you’ve got nothing else left to try. Ready?

Scrap all the advice you’ve been given :(

All the SEO crap. All the article marketing. All the spinning and scraping or keyword crap. Scrap it.

That link I gave you to tune in for a day? I realllllllllllllllllllllly want you to try that. Just ONE day. I beg you. But I do NOT want you to have your “SEO,” “Keyword,” “Adsense” hat on, please.

Adsense is like a little side gravy or something. I make like $186 a month on Adsense – it’s just something to trickle in.

The MOST impressive site to me you had is the one that looks LEAST professional. It’s the (site removed) site. Why does this appeal to me? Well, the home page anyway – It’s YOU! There’s a person behind it – and he has a SLANT (slant removed because it tells who this is)!

How many people I’ve seen who stumble through (this process), and here you are willing to share your ups and downs with it!

But there are mistakes here, too.

1. It’s riddled with ads. There’s adsense flying in my face. There are ads above, to the side and below everything.
2. The rest of your site has ZERO personality. Only that first blog post on the home page (which has a broken image fyi).
3. You’re blogging about stuff as IF you’re an expert but you’re not teaching what you KNOW.

On #3, take this page for instance: (link removed)

1. Ads to the right. Ads in the middle. Ads below. All ads.
2. ZERO personality in there. It’s a cold, personality-less article.
3. You have no traffic (by the way many people look a site up on Alexa and if they see you have none but are teaching it, it looks bad).

A better way to do it:

1. Clean up those ads. Maybe 1 adsense in the sidebar. Off to the side. Not interrupting the article.
2. Only 1 G+ prodding, please. Some of your articles had them all throughout. There are ones that scroll with the reader if you want that.
3. Don’t tell me about traffic like this if you have no traffic yourself. Instead, write a blog post about a Traffic Test you’re going to do. Then blog about that traffic test. Blog about how you researched a keyword and why you chose one and where you put the article and how you wrote the article and how the tracking is going for it, etc.

It’s that real personality that builds an audience – that’s ALL you’re missing – personality and originality. Forget about “article writing.” Just be YOU! Like that home page. That will endear people to you and help people build trust in you. Blog about your setbacks. I did! I blogged when I felt like an idiot, when I had a breakthrough, etc.

Let me tell you something too niche wise. You’re in your 60s and retired. Yet you have set up some GREAT looking blogs! Do you KNOW how many 50+ people email me who are PETRIFIED of setting up a blog, getting a domain, hosting, etc? You could LEAD that niche. Take them by the hand, make step by step videos. Put together a course, etc.

Get a picture of you up on that website. The money will come naturally. Don’t force it. Instead, make a good tutorial on how to set up your hosting account and tell why you use Hostgator and screen capture it (Camstudio is free) and put it up there and make a PDF download with step by step screen shots and put your affiliate link in there.

Give the course away FREE to build a list. And watch that affiliate commission come in. I got a $2,000 hostgator paycheck one month just because I mentioned hostgator with my link and showed people how to set their PLR packs up with it.

I hope this helps. I know it’s sickening to realize you’ve been trying so hard and doing it all wrong – especially when you PAID for the information. But that’s why this industry is so seedy. They want your cash – they made money on you. Then they can email you with a “stop the presses” email and tell you about Google’s latest algorithm and why you now need their NEW product.

You have GREAT potential, (name withheld). I can feel it.

((hugs))
tiff

Tiff again – that was the end of the reply I sent to him. I feel so heartbroken for him. I hear this DAILY and not just once – several times a day. Many of you reading it will remember the similar emails you sent me. MOST people don’t even get as far as (name withheld). They buy, they read, they get stuck.

He even implements and MAN he implements GOOD and still can’t see success. I emphasize personality and sharing because that’s what works for me here. You read this blog – you see my comments – you KNOW I have a damn good relationship with my people. Why? I’m ME – inject some personality into your blog and quit worrying about SEO or keywords or commissions.

Blog about what you’re truly using and sure, use an affiliate link – and commissions come naturally.

I want to do two things when I see emails like this. Literally hug the person, because I know it is horrible to hear such news. And strangle the idiots who sold and taught this crappy strategy.

Tiff ;)

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59 Responses to “Example of Someone Taught Online Marketing All Wrong”

  • JW Ginn says:

    Wow! You are so incredible. I can only imagine the stories you get to hear on a day to day basis. I think people reach out to you though because they can tell that you have heart.

    I am so thankful for you. Thanks for being a leader!

  • Kevin Riley says:

    It’s so refreshing to see another marketer who also disagrees with this: “The ones who emphasize picking a profitable niche (over one you want to be in).” I’ve been recommending for years that you must find a niche where three things meet: Your strengths, your passion, and people are buying. IMO, if you only pick a niche for profits (and you’re not really interested in it) it’s like going to a job you don’t like – and it becomes so much harder to excel.

  • Isobel says:

    Great great GREAT response Tiff – and in the example you gave of how this person could lead a niche, another lightbulb moment for me.

    Btw, you left their first name in the paragraph after your reply – the line that starts “MOST people don’t even get as far as”

    • Tiffany says:

      Ack! I removed it. That wasn’t from my reply so I started typing passionately and mentioned it. Removed. At least it’s a very common name!

  • Yoan says:

    This is why God created our wonderfully generous TIFFANY!! Very thoughtful post! You are doing an AWESOME JOB! And yes, there are far too many scammers but I have come to the conclusion that THEY WILL ALWAYS BE THERE LURKING IN THE DARK LIKE SPIDERS ( wait..no spiders are useful lol)…And there will always be people like you to help others- people with strong ethics that will kick these scumbags into the next millennium!!!

  • Hi Tiff,
    I’m curious – seems like good advice, and I’m wondering what his response was to it?

    Cheers,
    Gordon

    • Tiffany says:

      He hasn’t replied to that portion yet. It was just yesterday. I did tell him I was putting the reply on the blog and he said okay and that he goes to my blog because I seem real.

  • Joanne Reid says:

    Wonderful blog, Tiffany. I have a friend who cruises all the new stuff and is desperate for money — I mean desperate — and she spends grocery money on make money fast overnight schemes and then asks what I think of her latest venture.

    She is completely non-technical and ends up all the time with guru advice she cannot implement and even if she did it would not work. It makes me sad. I am sending her the link to this blog in the hopes she will finally understand.

    Joanne

  • Venus says:

    wow, Tiff! I was so touched with this. Your posting here hit me like a lightning bolt. I have a niche site too that I’ve spent tons of hours for keyword research, rank 1 in G, but ZERO traffic! Only bots visiting! I asked this in WF awhile back but all they said is “change title tag”, “change keyword” blah blah.

    I really followed an “expert” product that showed the EXACT steps like you’ve mentioned, except for the scraping and spinning part. Hit 3% density, throw this and that.

    the funny thing is, I was so amnesia I had a previous website that specifically “built for Google” exactly that way – but then I broke it down and make it more humane, and now it’s success. Tiff, I have 5 websites, but the 4 with Twitter traffic only, thrived and I was, “SEO? Density? what the hell! I’ll write what I want as long as it helps my readers”. It indeed comes naturally!

    this is so sad because so many experts out there would say you must be “professional” by diminishing the real YOU.

    thank you for your enlightening post, Tiff! It’s a great lesson and reminder for every want-to-be marketers here! :)

    ~~Venus

  • I’ve been marketing online for almost 15 years. Successfully. I’ve seen so many sleazy marketers come and go, and some are still here to this day. But the warrior forum special offers are a magnet for these people. I’ve become quite proficient at sorting the wheat from the chaff there, however I get duped every now and then. Anything that says ‘automated’, or ‘builds sites in minutes’ or uses language like ‘explode’ or ‘stuff your bank account’ etc. you should stay away from. In other words ‘hype’. And if someone you are studying from promotes those products you should exit their list fast.

    It all comes down to grass roots business building, and content development.

    There are some tools that are useful that makes the process of building internet businesses easier, and less ‘manual’. But they are hard to find.

    Anyway, maybe I’ll write a report on all of this some day :-)

    Tiffany, I find, is one of the rare honest ones out there. Thanks Tiffany.

  • Alex says:

    O golly well it was not me that wrote that letter to you but it fits and so does your answer.

    I’ve pretty much turned my back on all that IM stuff and concentrated on doing what I know and am passionate about which is health . I’ll be publishing my new ebook on kindle soon!

    :-)

  • Debra Conrad says:

    Tiff…

    Thank you so much for sharing this. It’s painful to read, but fantastic to share with others who are in the same “boat”.

    The point (under the layers) is that you can teach hundreds to do the “tech” stuff. You can’t teach the “creative” stuff as easily.

    Tech stuff = set up a great looking website – add in all the keywords, images and affiliate links according to someones idea of a great recipe. Mix it all up into a finished product that tastes terrible. (no traffic)

    Creative stuff = Like a starving artist – you must love what you do… and don’t give a rip if you make a dime.

    It’s very difficult to “teach” how to be authentic and creativity. And yet… that’s exactly what we all need to learn.

    Funny how those that are creative and authentic seem to be having a great time AND have figured out how to make a profit as a side bonus.

    The pressure of making a buck will sap all the creativity out of your soul.

  • Janet says:

    Hi Tiffany – that could almost have been me, except I have chosen a niche I am passionate about and one I am qualified to be in, but I can’t seem to get past offering free advice (blog articles). I have a real problem putting any advertising on my blog and I am only promoting 2 clickbank products and I am not even really sure I want to promote them at all. It is a health blog and I have a real problem making money from people by selling information to help them to be well. Silly I know !!!!

  • Lisa Oliver says:

    Thank you so much for posting this Tiffany, and to the unknown person you were responding to. I have sites that are only visited by scammers who want to leave unrelated comments on my posts and it breaks my heart especially in the domestic abuse niche.

    But your comments are really helpful – there isn’t a lot of me in my blogs and I can see that there needs to be more me and less SEO and all that stuff. Thanks for sharing this and to the unknown person who had the enquiry, thank you for letting this be posted on this blog so it can help so many other people. I know you will succeed :)

    Lisa

  • It’s a big @$$ boat, isn’t it?

    I just posted about something similar yesterday. I linked to your blog, but not this post specifically, because my topic was more on being who you are and you’ve been talking about that in several posts.

    I’ve struggled with my own blog. It’s MY blog, it’s supposed to be about me and things that interest me. But, if you listen to those gooroos (as Ronnie Nijmeh calls them) they tell you to worry about everything except being who you are.

    I didn’t want to bounce all over the place with stuff I post, but guess what? I do bounce all over the place with things I’m learning. Today, I may be reading about list building, tomorrow it may be about promotions, the next day it may be about killing flies. Why can’t I just share what I’m doing and hope it helps others? Why does it have to be a strict set of keywords about a mundane topic that I don’t hone in on every day?

    Like Alex mentioned, he started focusing on health. That’s a big niche with tons of sub-niches. He shouldn’t have to target a sub-niche if lots of things health related are interesting to him.

    My main point is I’ll be me and I think my blog will be better for it. If people don’t want to hear about all the parts of me—they don’t have to read it.

    Thanks for sharing this post and several others you’ve shared lately. I may not comment, but I do pay attention. ;)

  • Jennifer says:

    Thanks for the reminder. It can be so easy to get up in the SEO promises!

  • When the writer responds to you, can you please thank ‘them’ for writing to you as his story reflects the many people in IM including myself.

    Of course a big thank you to YOU and Craig on your insights and valuable advise given freely.

    I must admit that i was worried that with a change of direction (most welcomed) we will not get the golden nuggets you have just delivered.

    Many of us I am sure are getting innundated with the latest secret strategies AP (after Penguin, Panda now Phyton…) talking about the social revolution with the new kid on the block (pinterest and Mobile)and all these GURUS of course have all shiney new automated thingys to make you rich instantly

    Oh well personally I am going to use the weekend to find my ‘core competencies’ Kill my ‘Magpie instinct’ and FOCUS on becoming an expert in one specific area although it does not fit any of the gurus ‘Explosive Blueprint tried and tested advice’

    Thank you for sharing and being YOU

    Charles

  • Bev says:

    Hi Tiffany, I too feel for that person and have experienced to a lesser degree what he has. It took me some years of trying and failing before I started to see a little success and part of that success has been from what you teach.

    I fact, I bought your plratm course back last December and got my plr site up by mid January. I am now delighted to report I made my first sale just yesterday with some horse plr. The traffic is not large yet, but increasing slowly each month.

    I wish this person a great deal of success in the future. If he follows what you teach then he cannot help but succeed.

    bev

  • Robert says:

    Thanks,
    I will, sigh, do some work on that blog. And try to do what I started on it. Put some more me into it.
    You may not like this one, but … I bought plr atm, I have tons of plr, well over 100,000 on my computer. I think I could sell it, should sell it. So I’m learning how.
    Thanks, ; )
    Lots

    • Tiffany says:

      I don’t mind if you sell your PLR store Robert :) Lots of people do. Make sure you read all these comments here. Many in the same boat…

  • Hi Tiff,

    I think EVERYBODY starting out, or still on the ropes needs to read this post. There’s no better marketing than conversation, empathy, connection with your audience and helping them, which will in turn help you. Chasing the next Google Penguin, Google Parrot, Google Pie or what every is ‘coming our way’ next is BS. You’ll have more chance going to Vegas and coming out a multi-millionaire than you have of out smarting Google or other Search Engines and even if you do somehow manage to rank using they Grey or Black Hat methods, you will have a lot of impressions, but they will exit straight away if they don’t feel comfortable with your content. It’s such a shame that people will read this post but many will not change their outlook after reading it, and continue chasing the ‘easy money systems’, etc. Also, can I ask, you advised this guy to ‘tune’ in to a particular site, can I ask what that resource you gave him was?

    Thanks.

    Regards.

    Stan Fields, The Blind Marketer.

  • Hi Tiff,

    When I started my blog recently I wanted to share things I’m interested in and not necessarily just about topics in my niche.

    I want to make a name for myself honestly and ethically in my niche so I asked around to a few marketers who said absolutely do not insert personal or off topic posts into your blog. But I want to connect to people in a natural way so, to me, not to share goals, personal insights, likes, dislikes, etc. just doesn’t seem genuine.

    Then there are just a few people like you who say that its yours do what you want. Let your personality shine through. This is a breath of fresh air to me. Connecting to people is very important to me and if you are stiff and always only worried about SEO, etc then its hard to feel like you are getting to know the real person. In my opinion anyway. When I need certain information I search for it and generally find the information I need but its blogs like this that I keep coming back to time after time because your just so damn interesting! LOL :)

  • LindaP says:

    Wow! Not only was your post thought-provoking, the comments were, too. I have started so many different online ventures, only to find I am not interested in going that direction. For instance, I started an education site for non-traditional students. Google seems to like it, but not that I am no longer a student, I have lost interest.

    Years ago, before all the IM pros told me what I needed to do to succeed in marketing, I had planned to build a site based on my specific interests. That has never happened, since according to most keyword tools, there isn’t much traffic in it. Maybe it’s time to see if I could capture some or all of what traffic there is and go for it.

    Good thing I don’t have a contract looming at the moment. It gives me time to think about my business and do some solid planning for a change.

    Thanks for all you do, Tiffany. You hit the right note most of the time–this time you had perfect pitch.

  • Mark Upshaw says:

    Yes, I see the wisdom in what you have said here. I learned as the man above and did everything right, but I made money/make money. It was tougher than I could have imagined, because I hated every part of the niches and I had no passion in it. Fortunately, I sold all of my sites, and web 2.0′s this month and am off to do what I enjoy.

  • Kathy says:

    Tiff I didn’t think is was possible but my respect for you has shot skyward again. Thank you for your post and your generosity in helping this person.

    There were quite a few light bulb moments for me as well, both in your post and in the comments. I’ve held off starting my personal blog as I didn’t think anyone would be interested. Now I realise that just letting myself be me is exactly what I need. Who cares if no-one reads it. I’ll enjoy it and that’s what matters.

    I’m enjoying this new direction you’ve taken. Congratulations on your decision and having the courage to do it.

  • jan says:

    That’s great advice Tiff and not what you hear from “the gurus”. I think I was truly blessed when I first started looking because I found your course 52 on Squidoo and then a free course supported by a male version of yourself – somebody who genuinely wants to help people and see them succeed. I think your blog also helped guide many of us through the minefields that we face while we were trying to find our feet.

    Great to see you back on your feet again, hope the kids are well also, we are just coming up for winter so colds and flu to come!

  • Hi Tiffany,

    I’ve been a forensic scientist for most of my working life but I love reading crime fiction and watching CSI, Dexter etc. I’ve decided to share my knowledge with published and aspiring crime writers. I’ve nearly finished my Squidoo lens which will link to my forensics blog (a work in progress) and my free monthly newsletter. I plan to monetize by selling courses and information products that will, I hope, be unique. But my main aim is to develop a relationship with my readers/visitors. I love forensics. I want to be the come-to person for forensics for writers; the money will come. So thank you for all the advice that you provide. You do what you love and it shows.

  • Richard Callaby says:

    This direction you are going in is exactly where I want to be right now. I am in the process of transitioning out of any SEO work I have done before and instead working on projects that I have a passion for. Thanks for inspiring me to move forward with this plan!

  • Ashly says:

    Very discouraging to hear about this person’s story, but glad that they were able to find someone like you to give them some words of advice they can actually trust.

    Thanks for the valuable lesson, Tiffany.

  • Hi Tiff,

    Being a leader, choosing to be a leader seems to involve discovering and developing the power within. Anyone can “teach technology”, but it’s being a leader with it – and using it as a leader – that makes the difference.

    Thank you for leading by example,

    Mr Twenty Twenty

  • Mary Kathan says:

    Hi Tiffany

    Thanks so much for this! I have recently realized that I have been going down the wrong path too – mainly by the buying/following what each class tells me/but not doing what fits me/going in circles!

    My question is this…. I now have 2 different hosting places and numerous domains (I have never used) that are about to expire. So I just want to START FRESH.

    It sounds like Hostgator would be a good option for hosting ??

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