Frank Kern, John Reese, Tony Robbins Video – My Take
August 22nd, 2009 | 
Author: FYI the video I’m talking about in MY video is linked below.
Tony Robbins, Frank Kern and John Reese Video
So after watching their video and hearing my POV too – what do you guys say? What is holding you back? For me personally, I needed the hand holding. Hell I wasn’t just READING those step by step guides – I was GHOSTWRITING them – how messed up is THAT? They were accurate, but I still needed someone to walk me through it because it didn’t all mesh.
Thank God I found Craig Desorcy or I wouldn’t have made it period. That or it would have taken me years to connect the dots. Everyone needs some hand holding – that’s what I do for MY customers. That’s what’s missing from many big product launches.
Tiff
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I think you’re right – a lot of people (myself included) need hands on help. Someone there to connect the dots when a question arises.
And I do think big name marketers sometimes sort of forget where they came from and what it was like to be a newbie. I also think these marketers feed off the people who don’t make it – they’re the target market for their next product. If everyone worked the plan and succeeded, they would be out of business.
Intimidation and the fear of being wrong/making a mistake is what’s been holding me back. I know it sounds stupid, but it’s a real issue.
I know I’m a good writer, I know I have the technical skills I need – but I still think “Why should someone listen to me? How do I differentiate myself in a sea of voices?”
I do think I’m beginning to figure it out though.
Hi Tiffany,
Thanks for the video post.
Yeah, I think what you say is true. While it’s true that there is some fear, and some procrastination, there is also the notion that, somehow, it isn’t real for me (that success isn’t a real possibility). That’s where you actually need the hand-holding, if you like, or the final push to show you that, yes, if you follow the steps as laid out, success is there for me/you!
Hope you understand what I’m saying….
All the best,
Laurie
Gotta agree with you on the silly videos. I don’t watch them anymore because take forever to get to the point. All the flashy cars and such don’t do a thing for me.just seems juvenile.
I agree with your point too. I have bought things that just assumed I knew terms and concepts that I didn’t. It made me feel stupid, it took much longer to research the things I didn’t understand & in the end I just gave up.
Hi Tiff:
I can relate to this one in a few instances, but I’ll share the one with one of Tony Robbins products.
On a personal note: I love Tony Robbins. I found him during the lowest time in my life (after 911) while channel surfing early one morning. But that’s a whole other “success” story.
I am not sure if it is “Get The Edge” or “Personal Power II” that had a CD or section on “creating anchors!” It was a “visualization” exercise and for the life of me I could not do it. Visualization is/was hard for me.
I believe in the exercise Tony mentioned another product that would go deeper into it IF you needed the help.
I did need the help and called, but I did not have the exact name of the other product and no one knew what I was talking about as I was talking to sales people not coaches. So I never did get to do that part of the program.
My point… If I had someone to talk to about it I might have been able to get over whatever obstacle was preventing me from doing the exercise.
Tony gives very good examples when he teaches so it is easy to “associate” what he is saying with whatever is going on in your own life, but for the life of me I could not do that “anchor thingy!”
What is was, was… You were supposed to visualize a time in your life when you were at your best or were VERY happy and energetic / motivated — FEELING GOOD. Then link something, an action, a motion, a word, something to this wonderful memory and/or feeling. So, when you encountered an obstacle or were blue, you could pull out this anchor and immediately get yourself back to that feeling of success and/or happiness. I understood the concept, but I could not do it! Maybe I could now as I have many more positive things in my life to look back on! It was a bad time for me after 911, for all of us. We had nothing to associate with it (Thank God) so it was a first for all the feelings!
But as you said, had I had someone to talk to about it, I might have been able to complete that VERY important part of the program.
Another novella…
Luv & Hugs.
Roz Fruchtman
I agree that extra help is what most probably need. I see so many posts in the warrior forums from people looking for clarification and direction.
My biggest issue is that there is so much information out there and so many different ways to go about building an online business that I get sidetracked. As soon as I set up a plan and start implementing it I read something somewhere that kicks me in a different direction and the cycle ends my never getting anything accomplished.
I would love to have a mentor kick me back onto the road when I veer off so I can at least finish one thing before starting another.
Oh and time…that’s my biggest problem. Never enough time!
I have to agree with you, Tiff. In fact, I had drawn some of the same conclusions myself. I also agree with your point that many marketers write as if they assume a certain level of knowledge on the customer’s part. I call it “familiarity blindness.” When we do the same thing over and over a thousand times, it becomes second nature and we don’t even think about it anymore. But those are exactly the details that are so often left out of “how to” products.
Another aspect of the issue is teaching ability. Making a few million in the online marketing industry does not automatically endow the marketer with teaching skills. Many of these folks are good marketers but lousy teachers.
Frankly, I’m a little tired of marketers who blame the customer for their own shortcomings. Yes, there are some customers who are lazy, but I don’t believe for a minute that it’s as prevalent as they would have us believe.
If that video had been on a blog belonging to Reese or Kern, I would have posted my opinion there, too. I also would have asked why they felt it was necessary to lie to the viewers about this being a short notice “drop in” interview. It was obviously scripted from recording Tonys phone call to the little squares Tony had already drawn on his pad, to the fact that Reese and Kern had a camera operator with them.
In my opinion, it’s pretty arrogant to lie to and insult the intelligence of people to whom you’re trying to sell your product or image.
Hello Tiffany,
I am reading your e-book Building an e-book empire at the moment and must say at last I find the help : both inspirational and technical to do the work NOW
However, it has taken me forever to find your superb products. Well, well, during the whole process, I have learned alot. So I do not consider it was a waste or time/money.
But am glad I have found YOU at last.
Will follow your blog almost religiously and keep in touch with you.
I have another take on this that hopefully may elicit another view of thought…
I have been interested in and followed many different professionals in the internet marketing arena for some time now. I consider it due diligence and education towards understanding how the machine works and my future success. I have bought and tried many different things and felt the way that many here are talking about. Frustrated, mislead, shorted…on and on.
At some point though, we all have to realize that there is never going to be a program, coaching, mentoring or whatever you want to call it, to get you to your idea of success. It takes you as an idividual to find and achieve that. No amount od handholding will ever get you there. It shouldn’t either because then you are robbed of the satisfaction of making it on your own. It should be somewhat difficult and uncomfortable, because thats how you grow as a person and realize your true potential.
I recently heard some words of wisdom that essentially said, when you need answers to move forward and you can’t rely on someone else to give you the directions, at that moment you have a ‘choice’ to take the opportunity to find it on your own and move forward, or stop and wait for someone to tell you what to do. One way is a leader mentality, and the other is a follower ‘mentality’. You need to be hungry and you have to be a leader of your own life in order to create lasting change. If your waiting for someone to give you the answers to your questions all the time, you cheat yourself out of the growth experience.
This isn’t a race for success, but a journey that is meant to be enjoyed, as well as earned. I for one think that the guys were right on about your beliefs. In order to experience the successes, you have to be willing to sacrifice the time to do whatever it takes to learn your new endeavour… Learn what you can from the others, fill the gaps with your own research and sacrifice and then reap the rewards. You will never regret it when you make it!
You hit it right on Tiffany. I’ve been saying that for quite a while now.
I’ve spent so much money & time buying ebooks, programs & systems but I never knew where to begin or where to go next.
I’m old school & learning online is tough for me, especially not having anyone to ask questions or tell me if I’m wrong & how to improve.
If they taught IM in college I’d have a master’s degree by now but since I have to rely on “gurus” for my education, I’m still stuck in kindergarten.
Thanks Tiffany.
I enjoyed the video (memory lane for me as I studied with Tony way back in 1994) and I enjoyed your response. I emailed the link of Tony to my business partner and said ” we need to work out a feminine response to this issue”. Then I watched your video and I got it!
The guys are all about the numbers. That really does it for them. Tell me if I am wrong girls but the women are so much more idealistic and making a difference is deeply wrapped up with making money. You demonstrate that Tiffany when you jut get on the webcam and share from your heart – and you tell us how you REALLY feel, about your Mom etc. That’s real connection.
that is what females focus on: RELATIONSHIP, connection, community. You understand people want to connect to ask questions, to be in communication to increase their understanding. men don’t get the need for “hand-holding”. And that is what I believe is missing from masculine marketing techniques of wanting to leap over the next hurdle. Tony alluded to that himself in the video: the story about him being depressed after seeing the billionaire’s wine cellar and not having one so he redefined himself and set the bar higher to achieve one. That is such a guy thing – so competitive.
What do you think? and I notice that it is only women so far who have your responded to your question Tiffany.
One final thing: fyi this is not an anti-men comment. In a world where 90% of teachers/leaders/gurus are male, it’s an attempt to understand what is different between the masculine and feminine ways. I am needing to understand not put down.
Great work Tiffany
sleep well
Gina
woman-at-large
Oh… Tiff,
I remember the day! I broke down crying because I just could not figure out how to get an html website to publish. (Before Blogs were mainstream) My brain could not wrap around FTP in my new Dreamweaver program.
And I called local website designers/publishers and said I would pay them if they could just show me where I was missing the “point”.
No one would help! They just wanted to build it for me. (How I wish I had taken them up on that offer).
It didn’t matter how many books I read or internet searching I did… I could not figure out the process.
You don’t even want to know how much I paid to have someone mentor me through that mental road block.
That person did become my first coach and I broke through so many mental road blocks in such a short time frame. Finally – someone to answer my questions!
And when I did something really rash – and “Broke my website” – I had someone that not only could fix it… but, they also showed me how to fix it myself in the future.
I can’t tell you what a special place in my heart all my mentors and coaches have.
I think you are correct…
We not only need to know what steps that need to be taken.
We also need to know how to make each step work for us.
Just because a “step” is perfectly clear to the writer – does not mean it is perfectly clear to the reader.
debra
Personally, I loved the video (although I agree with you on the “staged” part! But then again, some people like “stories.”).
The way I see it, whatever the obstacle is, you still need the mindset to get past the obstacle. Some people come across an obstacle and then give up. If you’re focused on what you’re doing, visualizing where you’re going, you’ll find a way around that obstacle by either finding somebody with the answer or just figuring out a different route.
So, to me, it still comes down to having that drive/belief in yourself (whatever you want to call it), in the first place.
Hey Tiffany!
I saw that video on the Warrior Forum and thought the same thing everyone else is thinking. “Yeah YOU all MADE it, but it seems simple out-of the-box to you, but I just don’t get it!”
Some people do need a bit of hand holding or at least be able to talk to someone if they have a question. I don’t want to spend $200, $300, up to $1,000 for a product that promises me the moon and then when I call with a question, I talk to a sales rep that has no clue what I’m talking about!
This video shows them chillin’ out at some fancy hotel with puzzled looks on their faces as if to say,”what’s the problem people! Why aren’t you making money like us? We’ve given you the big box of stuff to read and listen to!”
I think they’re genuine in WHAT they offer, but they’re just out of touch with the reality of beginners and I don’t buy into how easy they say it is anymore. (Yeah, I’ve been suckered into late nite infomercials too). I’m taking my time. There is no “get rich quick” formula. You have to work on this. Stop telling us that this is easy and quick! It’s not true!
You nailed it for me. Sure lack of confidence/fear is a part of the problem but like you said you can pretty much blast past that.
Needing a mentor is key to success in anything. Think about it in other walks of life – ideally you have a strong relationship with your mom or dad. Where they didn’t fulfill, we find a teacher in school, or someone like Tony Robbins who acts to guide and encourage (or kick you in the tush when you need it).
Whether you want to be a better golfer (right?) or tennis champ or business person, mother or dad – you look for a person who has done what you want to do. Someone who is at least a notch or two better than you and then learn from them, sit at their feet, soak up their wisdom, then go act on what you learn!
Experiencing success in Internet marketing or any business, hobby or profession is all about moving forward and most times we need a “light” to move toward. Someone like Craig who not only acts as a light but a goad.
Robert Kiyosaki comes to mind for me as a successful person who had a mentor. His light and goad was his “rich dad”. I know that other successful men and women have someone in their life that influenced their level of success.
Didn’t mean for this to go on so long but this is the reason why there is a big market, if you will, for mentoring/coaching programs. BUT … There is a perceived problem and that is these folks are only accessible through a paid consultation. Whether hundreds or thousands of dollars, ye old basic internet marketer is too cheap to part with their cash.
Bottom line: If you want to succeed, go to those who can guide and even push you – pay for it because in the long run it will pay off. We need to stop having the “cheap” mentality. It’s called investing – invest in your education.
‘nuf said.
Love you, Tiff, for being real and personal enough to almost hold our hands in this big wide world of IM.
Cheryl
Hi Tiff:)I like your smile, I can relate to that!
What you type is right, everyone learns differently!I am having the same problems with the Big gurus.
I am typing them my thoughts, I am intimidated though, but I am DRIVEN to it! Either I tell them what I think or just leave and let them think it’s me! Then I would not be happy within myself and that is what really counts. I cannot allow them to undermine my self confidence and make me feel like it’s me. It’s not and I feel like they are on a different cloud from everyone else in REAL life! Especially women!
Here I have the opportunity to have free coaching from the Big name Legend, but I do not related to him. His main goals are fancy cars,
lots of women and travelling. But is he happy deep down inside? Can he be alone, still and like himself! Can he find that quiet stillness that deep calm that allows you to find deep happiness within. This is the place that my greatness creatitivy develops and contentment!
I told him that I don’t think that he is capable of understanding me but I can see through him. Is that what counts? I think ultimately it is because that is my soul!
I am very sure that most of these big names are lost and have a big deep hole in their cores
that they are trying to fill with spending their money and their filling their egos at the expense of others. Of course, they would never admit because that is a sign of weakness.
I believe that women can see through this shallow exterior. I also believe there is a market out there to reach women! This is an area I would like to enter once I learn how to do the basics. I do not want to ‘re-invent the wheel’ but this wheel is not the right fit for women. Women are the highest % of SUCCESSFUL small business owners. It is only logical that they would also be good at Affiliate Marketing.
Most woman want to have a home business to take care of the house and kids.
I could go on and on, I would like to help women understand but I must understand the basics and make some money to extend a hand to them!
I think it is important to be focused and have a plan and direction before you run out and make
a list even before you get a web site. Having a web site means monthly bills. Wait, write up a business plan and stick to the plan! Then plan out your course of action THEN get your web site going. You won’t be wasting money with an idle web site(paying monthly bills), chasing all the get rich schemes.
These guys are great marketers and want your money to support their egos and lifestyles! I have spent under $100 for educational items and I will not allow them to pressure me into something I am not ready for nor can afford! It is HARD though!
Thanks for listening, I was up all night writing to the ‘Legend’ answering his questions with my own questions and answers to him! I have not confronted him on this, but is that the point? It made me feel better! He is nice enough to want to help me but will it ultimately help me or him? I have not execpted his offer!
Have a good day and thank you for your time and effort trying to reach me, you have, thank you
with all my heart!
Thanks keep in touch! I have a Facebook page I would love for anyone to be my friend there!
See Ya at the top!
Your Woman Friend,
Jackie Malcolm
P.S. A this present rate I am alienating myself from the ‘Inner Circle’ of Affiliate Marketers, perhaps that is not a bad thing! I have noticed that their are not many women there.
Your there and I feel that I can relate to you!
Tiffany,
Great video. I am a Tony Robbins fan.
Frank Kern impressed me. He got through a whole video with saying F _ _ _ this or MF that. I do not have a lot of respect for his profanity in business. You know what I mean if you have watched a few Frank Kern videos.
OK, Tiffany, point your finger straight out in front of you and believe it is the dial on your bathroom scale. Now turn it down. You have the belief and you have the power. Now you have Tony saying you can do it.
I noticed on day 30 that you did NOT mention diet. I love your determination to succeed and help others succeed. Your compassion is wonderful. Apply your talent to weight loss too. You can do it!
Bob
Sally I know – I love John – he’s a standup guy – but I abhor the phony scripted stuff.
Amanita – that’s my goal too – to fine people when they enter the marketplace. I’m not the first thing they find. YET.
Wendy – there are always multiple personalities needed in any niche. It’s kind of like burgers. What if Burger King, Wendys, and any other burger store didn’t create their restaurant because they figured, “Oh well, there’s already a McDonalds.” I have seen lots of marketers who I just don’t like. Maybe their videos annoy me. Maybe they write in a way that bugs me. I may need to learn from YOU. You’ll do it your own way, whether or not you FEEL like it’s unique enough. You might want to read this: http://TwitPWR.com/pIZ
Laurie – I know – why is it that we see success for others but somehow don’t realize it can be there for US too?
Cathy – agreed – scripted is out. At least in THIS industry where you’re trying to convince people to trust you because you’re one of them, been there done that etc.
Roz – GREAT example! Sometimes it’s explained well – but the person needs to ask it in their own way. I was like that with math!
Linear – take it slow. It doesn’t require an 8 hour day to achieve it. That’s what I’ll be showing my mom in her 30 days. One hour a day. And you’re right – people always come on the WF after learning something and need clarification.
Hi Chad! I agree about the drive and determination to go for it. I had that though. I had bought the courses. I had tried to implement it. I just got stuck with some technical stuff. I HAD to have that extra mentoring. There ARE a few (I believe the minority) who want the business handed to them on a silver platter for no work. But the ones I’ve dealt with are willing to work hard, have the drive, but get lost and no one to pull them out of the quicksand.
Aww Robert – that was a cute analogy. I’m sorry you’ve felt like that but it’s a common problem!
I agree that it would be great to have some sort of personal response system that would help buyers of a product better understand the material that would, in turn, help build connections and customer loyalty.
I’m sure the inquiries you’re getting now is manageable and of course you’re happy to help, but what if for some reason that demand was increased tenfold? A hundredfold? Imagine hundreds…. thousands… TENS of thousands of them flooding your inbox. How to get to all of them in a timely manner without some massive staff?
Hey Gina!
I definitely believe there are SOME men like that. But I have also been corresponding with MANY men now who are loving the fact that they can share their emotions with me about this. Whether or not they display it publicly – I don’t know. With me, though, via email, they share their fears, their desire to help people, make a difference, etc. So maybe my personal interaction gives me a sort of different take on it. However, I think some of the guys hungry for money see the Reeses, Kerns and Robbins’ in this world and just go for the jugular with customers to try to claw their way to the top. Then again, I’ve seen a few women do that too. I think it’s more of a person and not a gender thing (just from what I’ve seen). And I didn’t think your post was condescending to men.
Tiff
Debra – you’re right! And so many people don’t have a penny to toss at a mentor, either. So therein lies the problem.
Suzanne – thanks for your take on it! I agree you have to have the mindset too but I think it’s not the root of the problem for many.
Jenni – Agreed!! It kind of tends to make people feel like there’s something wrong with THEM for not being able to implement it and that’s just not true.
Cheryl – good explanation! Yeah like with Golf. My coach could stand up in front of me all day long and show me how to hit a slice on purpose or get rid of accidental ones. But until I took the club in MY hand and he literally walked over and put his hand over mine and helped guide me, I didn’t get it
Jackie – Someone else posted earlier about the guru’s disconnect from women. I may not be the best woman to ask about this because like I’ve said before, I’ve always had guy friends, had guys to play sports with (women didn’t play golf much), and I just am used to learning from their perspective. YET, the way I teach is a mix of both I believe – I hope so at least. Yes, you SHOULD tell them what you think – in a calm manner. In fact I’m putting together an email about this today. As far as teaching to women, I was going to do a women’s marketing site but I felt like I’d be slamming the door on all my wonderful men customers. BUT, I could do a course on it. That may be viable.
Hey Bob! I’m a big Tony Robbins fan myself – he is VERY good at motivating people to change their lives, be accountable, etc. And I first saw him on that movie Shallow Hal. lol. I totally forgot to mention my diet because I do my Sparkpeople vlog too. I wound up 11 pounds down since I started losing weight. From 268 to 257. That was 5 weeks’ worth. I lost 8 pounds during my 30 days – which is a healthy amount I’m happy with
Thanks for the motivation!
Hey Mitch! Yep and that’s what I talked about in one of my vlogs too. So let’s say I have Tony Robbins’ money – I might invest that in a team of trainers who aren’t just skilled in selling – they’re skilled in helping. Answering emails. Or at least when people have questions that get asked repeatedly, have a place to send them for that answer. Which s what I’m doing with my FAQ page.
Hi Tiff
I agree – handholding would be great and also information overload. Just when I think I can do the ’social’ thing on Facebook you get told you have to be on Twitter and FriendFeed and and and… Example: I am moving my Hosting and can pick Joomla/Drupal/Mambo/etc — which one should I choose and why? (Maybe there’s a lens/book in there for you) That’s another thing: Lenses — why a lens and not a blog? Just when I think I’ve got it all together (eventually) I suddenly get this panic attack: With so much free stuff on the net or why they bother buying from me? Sales and marketing are definitely not my strong points.
Thanks for all your valuable info – I’ve actually unsubscribed to all other lists (except 2) as they are just Bull anyway and everyone has the same thing to say — but you tell it honestly.
Thanks
Tiff,
First congrats on the weight loss.
I too am getting tired of the videos that tell nothing, but waste my time.
I lost 30 pounds last year in about 6 months.
No gym, just changed eating habits.
My biggest breakthrough came when I “gave
myself permission to not eat all the food on my plate”, my wife and I eat out alot.
chuck
First, you don’t HAVE to have a keyword rich domain. I could show you many examples of top SERP sites for competitive niches.
Second, I’ve seen and watched a couple of top gurus make outlandish and even flat out wrong SEO statements.
Third, I do not work in IM per say so I’ve never purchased anything from the Kern, Reese, or Robbins. Not that their stuff is not worthy though maybe some of it may not be that great. I give them credit for accomplishing much.
Keep in mind that MOST people on say, Twitter, have never ever heard of Kern or Reese. I bet a lot more people know who Chris Brogan is. If it were not for Warrior Forum or Twitter I may not know of John Reese or Frank Kern. Robbins is in a different class.
I think the video meeting you spoke about is completely self serving. I don’t think they really care that much if a lot of people make it. I mean, if you sold an eBook to someone about Squidoo, would you care if that person never went to Squidoo again?
Last, I’d love to see you do a video and reports about list building. I don’t see the gurus talking much about that, do you? I wonder why?
I just wanted to point out how you don’t always need a keyword rich domain.
Google “physical fitness.” I would say that is a competitive phrase, wouldn’t you? Look at the top 10 results. How many have those keywords in the domain.
Hey Greg! I know you don’t HAVE to have a keyword rich domain – but his was such that it literally made no sense and for him, starting out, it would have helped to have some keyword in there so the person at least knew what the site was about. I agree that Robbins is a different class than Kern or Reese. I often find someone talking about some new guru and I say, “Who?” And they laugh – there’s just too many to keep track of
I don’t know about the video being self serving or because they care. I DO know you were supposed to opt into a list to see it. I happened to see a direct link. I also DO know John has a big heart. Not just with me – I’ve seen him donate time and money helping people who need it. I can’t vouch for the others. I just get mesmerized by Robbins watching him speak. As I said too, Kern just doesn’t do it for me on a professional level but he may be a salt of the earth guy.
On Squidoo, I don’t know if I care about Squidoo per se, but I DO care about my customers. Especially those struggling to make ends meet and need me to help them get their eBook launched or even a PLR site in direct competition to mine going.
I will do a list building video! Great idea
Tiff
WOW, what a variety of reactions! (One man’s point of view)
I haven’t seen the entire video yet, but I saw the beginning questions at the couch. Basically, it was ‘How do we get the wannabe IMers to DO what they need to do?
I don’t know what their answers were, but I can relate to many of the answers here, ironically, even to a couple that are polar opposites.
I understand and desire to have someone tutor me along giving me step-by-step guidance and to answer questions — On -The-Job-Training. At the same time, I understand that we need to step out of our comfort zones and move forward on our own. However, I feel that for some self-starters and self-confident people, they can pick up the information and run with it, but most people need some guidance.
Just like several of you, I have become overwhelmed with the information out there. When I read about doing PLR/MMR, it is the best way to go, but then I read about blogging which is better. Next I learn about Affiliate Marketing and CPA which can’t be topped, and then I read another article about PLR which is the only way to go until…
This merry-go-round isn’t very merry. I want off!
At this point, I am sold on the idea that IM is the best way to earn a living in my own business. Like one man said, I should have a Master’s degree except for the fact that I don’t have it organized in a step-by-step process, I have to squeeze it in between day-to-day priorities, and, yes, I am a bit scared that I might spend the next three to six months working on a project only to find out that it is not going to work so I have to start from scratch all over again.
Getting back to the question… what will help me DO the course?
I like the idea of short walk-thru videos with links to more details and explanations. I am a person who likes to have a general outline of what I am going to do and a way to ask questions about those steps I do not understand.
For example, using your specialty:
A checklist for making a profit with PLR
1 – Pick a niche
A) Video: Watch me choose a niche
a) Links to the tools used in the video
b) More details such as definition of ‘niche’, etc.
2 – Modify a PLR product
A) Video: Watch me modify a PLR product
a) Links to tools used
b) More details, etc.
3 – Setup a Website
A) Video: Create a splash page
and so on…
BTW, these videos (or text) should be short and to-the-point, not an hour of boring monologue.
I would rather have a set of videos that only last two hours showing me how to earn my first $50 on the internet than 40 hours of videos showing me how to make a million in my first year (and they don’t have to be videos, I can read, too.)
To the woman who talked about men and women being different, you did not come across as negative towards men. I do not teach women how to do things on the computer… they just don’t get it. I can teach men, but not women. They are different and I lack the skills to help them connect. We are different, men and women, and that is not a bad thing for either side. I speak in generalities as there are always plenty of exceptions when it comes to gender generalizations.
After writing this, I got to thinking about something. What does it take to reach ’success’ (a goal) in something? Maybe it is like taking a long hike. It takes the right mindset (determination and belief you can achieve it), it takes a good map so you can find your way to the end of the trail and it takes an occasional helping hand along the way to get you over that fallen tree or other obstacles. And it takes the right tools such as a rope and walking stick.
Some of us are physically strong, strong willed and determined, and have the right tools, and all we need is the map. Some of us are physically weak so we need a hand to get over that tree in the way, and some of us lack confidence or skills such as reading a map and need someone to walk with us until we gain the confidence and skills we need to reach our goals. I would not expect any of us to have to be hand-held forever; some will need it longer than others. But eventually, each of us will have the skills, the self confidence, the tools and the strength to, at least, finish the journey to our goals on our own and maybe even take on an apprentice ourselves.
Hey Tiffany,
I agree with your observations. What I find though, especially online which just aggravates me is everybody seems to think all people learn the same way.
Watching your videos, you get to the point and I take what I can use and move on.
Frank and John “used to” do this but somewhere along the line they got into the ‘Hollywood’ mode.
If you know anything about Tony Robbins, he’s a student of NLP and uses what he’s learned like a master swordsman in all his products.
There are people who can read a book, get the point and do it. Others may need to hear it and ask questions, then they get it. Others must see whatever it is being done before it clicks.
I write for readers and make audio (tip for marketers using video – most readers are also auditory, so your slap-bang whiz video is an unwelcome distraction. Know your audience.)
Thanks again Tiffany. You’re always on the mark with your short video and books.
I agree and disagree with smooth Tony, crazy Frank, and quite John and the amazing Tiffany. Some of it is a fear of success but most of it’s not. It’s the fear of breaking the Internet or just NOT understanding what the words mean.
As an instructor of computers I can tell you it’s not that they’re afraid of success, it’s they’re terrified of messing up the computer system or WHY does it work. When people go into technical areas, one they don’t understand, and don’t WANT to understand, their fear is of “breaking the equipment” not that they are afraid to succeed.
I have seen this for the past 10 years as a teacher of computers at a university. These are people that have been around computer all their lives. They know how to used computer and surf the Internet but doing business on the Internet is like asking Professor Snape to bath every day. The words they (gurus) use don’t mean the same thing on the Internet as they do in everyday life.
I have read a lot of the “guru” books and if I can’t understand them, (and I’m an MCSE, A++, N++, and a CCNA) I know some people aren’t going to even comprehend them. I get called all the time to explain “what” this means or what “that” means.
They assume most people know what they mean when they say, “drive traffic to your site” — the only “drive traffic” they know is the one in the traffic jam on the way home from work. The words don’t have the same meaning.
The problem with people not following through after pay massive amounts of money is because they run into things (words or protocols) they don’t understand and there’s no one to help them with it.
They don’t make any money, after hours of working on their site, and they quite. Not all at once but they do a little less every day. If you don’t see results, you stop doing it – that’s human nature.
Jeff Johnson is a prime example — he states “it only takes my guys 30 minutes to set up a site”. Well, he has a TEAM, most people just have one person, them! They have to learn to create the site and that requires many, many steps before they can even post to it, write articles, post to different site and each site is set up differently such as Twitter vs Facebook or Blogger vs WordPress. Not to mention all the social bookmarking… It takes a lot longer than 30 minutes to set up a site! They have to get into a routine first then it becomes easier.
What I have always thought is the teachers, aka guru’s, need to learn “How to teach” what they know instead of ass-um-me that everyone will understand their words. They don’t and that’s why the fail!
Now that I’ve written this book feel free to disagree or agree. Just my 10 cents worth!
Sara
Totally agree with you! And I’m one of those people so it all made sense what you said. I had to pretty much be walked through keyword research and SEO for about a year before I really got the hand of it. And it’s frustrating when you just don’t get something and then it holds you back.
I think these ‘big guys’ think that us ‘little guys’ are going to grasp their teaching right away but we don’t all work like that. I’m the type that is more intimidated by everything there is to learn, not so much afraid. I see what I want but it’s just the time it’s taking to get there as a slow learner that is the part sometimes holding me back. I have learned to take it one step at a time now though and it feels good to be able to help others once I have finally grasped things.
OK, just went off on a tangent ha ha
Brilliant observation Tiff. i always think about that, Im just starting , with hardly any money and wonder about those guys approach sometime. i hope I can connect with yoy , get some coaching. if you are not doing iot , this could be your calling for now to help those who have questions and litle money to work with. get back to me Please!..otis
I loved the video and have watched it several times. The diagram of the 4 boxes that Tony draws on paper was an “aha” moment for me. Yeah, they stage a lot (Frank Kern is especially famous for that), but that’s just his way and his personality.
Learning from anyone is kind of like eating chicken … You have to eat the meat and spit out the bones. Haha! I think the video is well worth watching, and your perspective is well worth knowing as well. In the end, we all have to come to our own conclusions.
Thanks Tiffany! Love your stuff
Staged? Everything these people do is staged. Franks depiction of being poor is rediculous. His grandfather threw him enough til something stuck. He would have never made it in the real world. Ask him about his invisible fence franchise that was bought for him. He prided himself in not working. Drove cars that his grandfather put him in. I got this info from a site where someone who knew him before he was a garu. Perception is 9/10ths of the truth.
Maybe it’s just me, or maybe alot of people are just really bad at math.
My question is, how is it remotely possible to give “one on one” attention to your customers when you have thousands and thousands of customers?
Sure, I give one on one consults, but it comes at $500 an hour which is a price that makes newbies freak out. But what am I suppose to do? Cut my pay so I can get on the phone to bring them up to speed?
Newbies expecting to get one on one time with professionals making millions of dollars is just not realistic unless they are ready to pay accordingly.
And what this industry needs is a bit more realism.
In all my time on the internet I’ve yet to see a course that walks you through “step by step” better then Frank’s original Underachiever Mastery system.
But from the sounds of it, you’d think the guy was entitled to come to your house and help you set up your internet connection, register your GoDaddy, etc, etc, etc.
I’m not trying to discount the obvious need for newbies to get hands on help, but expecting it from a multi millionaire who busted his ass for years learning the ropes is a bit foolish in my mind.
JMo! Did I get your swim trunks in a twist?
~ Sorry about that.
1.) I AM bad at math.
2.) They wondered aloud (on video) why there aren’t more success stories. I was just giving MY take on it
3.) You didn’t answer about if you DISagree with me about people NEEDING more one on one help (forget about your point about how that’s realistic…I just wondered if you think it’s true or if it’s mindset etc.
4.) Did you watch my follow up? http://www.tiffanydow.com/blog/main/follow-up-to-my-follow-up-karn-robbins-reese/ because I was QUITE sleepy when I made the first video LOL
5.) Will you come over and hook me up with a domain Jason?
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No, seriously…I stated somewhere (God only knows where now) that I knew it wasn’t feasible for big gurus to do one on one help. I can’t even handle it all now myself. BUT…if they’re making millions, maybe a bit of that could be poured into some $30k a year salaries for a help desk where IF they buy the product, they get their questions answered. Kinda like if I’m paying for a college course, I’d expect a math teacher to explain things when I needed more clarity. Sorta Kinda.
Tiff
PS – What’s your take on the whole issue of people not succeeding? I love your thoughts on stuff, so any insight would benefit me AND the readers.
First of all, no, I won’t set up your GoDaddy.
But yes, I will have my assistant set it up for you.
I agree with you about people making tons of money and not making the content consumable or easy for them to get continued education.
No doubt.
That is why I have a LIVE ASSISTANT for the last year. No submitting tickets and waiting for a email. You get a real guy, with a real phone number, and a real camera to even see him while he’s trying to help you.
I know of nobody who does that for their customers but me. And I’m not making nearly the kind of money my friends and banking.
So yes, I understand the frustration completely. But beyond understanding I’ve actually done something about it.
It doesn’t mean I’m always accessible, but I never want to leave a customer hung out to dry.
Oh and no, I didn’t see the follow up video.
I wasn’t trying to be harsh with my comments, just realistic to some of the people who may expect way more then will ever be delivered.
I don’t expect many people to step up to the plate and offer the kind of support I do either. People are too lazy for that, and would actually have to face consequences for everything they did online in public.
I have a hard time seeing most marketers having the balls to do that.
Anyhow, it’s good to see the feedback from people who do need help. It helps us that are trying to help.
I’m just trying to keep people’s expectations real.
As far as what I think about people not succeeding more often, I’m not sure everyone is going to like it.
I think it’s because most people are not extremely talented in some way and have not lived outside of their little bubbles. It’s easy to get accustomed to mediocrity in our world.
I’m not trying to say they can’t be talented, but most people I’ve come across in life don’t have immense amount of experience with different types of people, music, jobs, drugs, outdoors, animals, and more.
They go through the motions, but don’t live in the moment fully and rob themselves of chances for deep growth.
Basically I think most people are the walking dead. Unaware, asleep and just looking for the next thing or person to follow.
That’s what I think.
Ah see Jason? You’re doing it – GREAT idea! How wonderful of you to do that! I love that idea. And I thought *I* was great for personally replying to all of my emails.
I didn’t think you were being harsh. Just “manly.” lol. I’m kind of surprised that you do that AND had that reaction – I was figuring you were a hands off (unaccessible) marketer after reading your comments. Proved me wrong though.
I DO agree with what you said about going through the motion and not giving themselves a chance for deep growth. I see that all the time. You really have to put yourself out there. I laugh now about how silly it was for me to literally be sick to my stomach with worry to go to the WF and announce I was going to become a marketer (and then do it). Hell to be honest with you Jason, even making a video like I did DISagreeing with Tony Robbins, John Reese (whom I adore) and Frank Kern – makes me grow balls so to speak. Not many people disagree with top people (not publicly at least).
Thanks for telling us your thoughts
Always love to hear em!
Great video, Loved your book on building ebook empires. Keep up the good work!
Hi folks!
Just wanted to chime in re. Tiffany’s take on the Tony Robbins – FrankKerns – John Reese video…
Honestly, even as I was watching Tiffany’s video clip, I was thinking, “But Tiffany, you are saying the same thing they are, just in different words!” I mean, when you think about it, what is wanting/needing some handholding? Underneath it all, isn’t it just a manifestation of fear of the unknown, a.k.a. lack of confidence in oneself and one’s own ability to pull it off?
Think about that… Of coiurse, this is not to belittle the value of said “extra” help. Anyway, that’s my humble opinion – hope it makes sense.
Thanks!
Vinny
PS: By the way, I proceeded to read all the readers’ comments that followed and although I didn’t see any viewpoint substantially similar to mine, I still stand my ground!