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Hi everyone! I have been in touch with Ghostbloggers (whoever is behind the scenes) and asked them to delete my account. I wished them well. I am removing the article and I think I might list it for sale today to someone in my email list.

I really hate to change my mind about this place. ย It was building a good buzz up. But I think the site owner isn’t really up to managing it quite right just yet, so maybe later we’ll all return to find it thriving.

The main problem I have with the site is the lack of controls for the people using the site. For instance, I didn’t understand the way he tacked on his cost completely (math and all that jazz), so it wound up being really pricey for a site where you get content churned out like that.

So a couple of weeks ago I asked him to lower the price. He replied to me and mentioned my request to allow writers to alter their own price, etc., but he didn’t change the price of my article like I’d asked!

I find that the site is EXCELLENT to buy from. I’ll still be doing that!

The quality was great, I was able to choose what I wanted and see a snippet. I felt the price I paid was fair to both me and the writer.

But as a writer, the site owner a.) doesn’t let us maintain control (like if we want to remove the article). and b.) doesn’t promote the site at all.

Maybe he’s been lucky with a few articles being done about his site, but where is he in the marketing world? No one I know has heard of him. If he’d dig in and start marketing the place, maybe more people would show up and it would thrive.

So where would I go if I were freelance writing?

It wouldn’t be iWriter (sorry Bob). It wouldn’t be Ghostbloggers. It would ย probably still be Elance and Warrior Forum (Warrior for Hire).

Those are where many marketers go to use freelancers. Yes, many “budget minded” people go to iWriter, but like one guy (Bob) mentioned in his comment on my blog, he’s an Elite getting $13 per 500 words. That’s still LOW to me – for a top tier? No thanks!

Your top tier should be around $20-30 per page. You CAN get that on Elance. I did. So don’t tell me it can’t be done.

I always shake my head when people get all panicky thinking, “But there’s too much cheap competition!! I can’t charge that much!”

Do you know why that BUGS me?

Because I can’t count the times I bid the HIGHEST bid on Elance and got chosen over allllllllllllllllllll those cheap ass writers with a cost cutting mindset.

Why did I get hired? Because (well it’s all in my Ghostwriting Cash course), but basically, I provided amazing bids that were personalized and WOWed my prospective clients. AND…I also created an amazing portfolio of samples. NOT from client work, mind you – but from sample topics I whipped up.

I knew my stuff, people. And if you STOP approaching this type of service as “I can make $30 if I do this many projects today” and start approaching it like you’re MARKETING yourself, then you’ll start being in demand and you won’t have people preying on you because you don’t know any better that you could be getting paid more.

Because now you DO know better.

I just told you so.

tiff ๐Ÿ˜‰

53 Responses to “Ghostbloggers Turns Out to Be a Bust for Me as a Writer”

  • Deb Lamb says:

    Preach on sister! Loved this article and you hit the nail on the head with the way to approach sites like Elance. Thank you!

    Deb ๐Ÿ™‚

  • Michael says:

    Hi Tiffany

    Thanks again for your open and honest comments. Interesting feedback – especially for us newbies.

    Michael

  • Cynthea says:

    Once again your brilliance shines through!!

    Re: “if you STOP approaching this type of service as โ€œI can make $30 if I do this many projects todayโ€ and start approaching it like youโ€™re MARKETING yourself, then youโ€™ll start being in demand and you wonโ€™t have people preying on you…”

    AMEN SISTER!! gOd LoVE YOU GIRL!!

  • Suze P says:

    Hi Tiff!
    I’m really bummed to hear about Ghostbloggers being a bust. I had high hopes for it, too. I only put a couple articles up there and haven’t sold anything either, but I figured I’d put a few more up on different topics and see if that made a difference. Then I changed my mind because, as you said, there is no way to remove the article if you decide to sell it elsewhere, and I noticed there was no buzz about the site. You’re right, he apparently does not promote it. Let’s hope he gets with the program and realizes what he could have if he got on it! LOL

    It is discouraging to try to compete with the Fiverr mentality of these people who are only interested in buying articles for pennies. They want 500+ word, quality stuff for their pennies, too. LOL The real problem is the morons giving it to them.. Arrggh.

  • I agree (so far) that it’s a bust.

    I was comparing it in realtime to constant content. With CC, my article was reviewed rather quickly, and approved after one revision (a single comma), and sold within 3 days. Ghostbloggers took twice as long to review the article (no corrections), and my article still sits. I agree – you need to be able to remove your articles, track hits, etc… that’s the only way I will write another article for them.

    I am still not a fan of CC for a number of reasons, but it’s much more robust and works well for people like me (low output) that want to put up an occasional article for a few extra bucks. I was hoping Ghostbloggers would be the same, but it’s not there yet.

    • Tiffany says:

      Well I waited over a week w/CC so that was a bust too.

      Hmmm…maybe a mart of my own for readymade articles? It’s a thought!

      • Suze P says:

        hmm.. Now there’s a thought! I was kind of thinking the same thing, starting my own, but yours would be better. You already have an established name, lists, brand, etc, and you know how to promote. Definitely something to think about.

        • Tiffany says:

          Everyone should maybe have their own pre-made content spot!

          • Suze P says:

            Well, maybe! LOL Everyone who writes articles for pay should have their own little mart they sell from, I guess. I’ve been considering that, too for my site. Though I’m just not sure article writing is where I want to concentrate my energies. It’s more of a side thing I like to do for fun and a little extra cash. LOL That’s why having the big, central article sites where people can go and browse different content to choose from, like CC and Ghostbloggers, is good. Plus, with your rep behind it, a site like that could do well. Of course, you’d have to have editors and all that, could be a headache, but if it takes off could be well worth it and benefit a lot of writers. : O)

      • Janet says:

        That’s a great idea Tiffany – Angela Booth (an Australian woman who writes and sells writing courses) has a site that sells articles, all of which are written by her students.

      • Britt Malka says:

        That would be a perfect idea, Tiff – I love it!

        What I don’t like about places like Ghostbloggers and Constant Content (and why I still haven’t written for them) is that you have to write the article and then hope to sell it. There are no guarantees.

        What I don’t like about Elance and others of that kind: That you have to bid.

        Oh, and I just checked Elance. The prices were low, and many didn’t explain much about what they wanted. I saw one who wanted 100 articles about his niche (max price $200). He didn’t tell what his niche was.

        What I don’t like about iWriter: the low prices – although as an elite writer you can make much more.

        What I DO like about iWriter: You look for interesting article requests, and if you find one, you click and write and get paid.

        Another thing, but that’s unique: The fan I got who keeps requesting articles from me and who offers really interesting jobs. That’s fun! I would rather write on article for him, earning 8.65 plus tips (he almost always tips), than write one about a boring topic for $40.

        • Britt Malka says:

          one article – not on article (argh!)

        • Tiffany says:

          Britt unless you’re signed up and usually paying for the top tier, you won’t see the nice projects that pay really well and have detailed instructions. Those buyers pay $25 (used to be may be different now) to even LIST their project, so they pay well and are more careful about details and choosing. You’re always going to see examples like you listed everywhere – even on iWriter there are tippers and cheapskates, for example. Some good instructions, some poor. Hmm not sure I agree about the $8.65 versus $40. LOL!

          • Bob Kleppin says:

            I agree with you Britt. I really find iWriter to be much more writer friendly than any of the other platforms. As a business man, a retired executive and a college instructor I look at the total effort required to produce and market an article. With the other platforms it is either write for speculation and promote like crazy (lots of time expended for $30) or bid, bid, bid. In either case when you analyze the time and effort (research, write, edit, fact check, etc.) required for one of these articles, if you are a good writer and really try to do a good job the per hour income drops dramatically. At iWriter I can whip out two to three $10 to $15 articles per hour by confining my writing to what I know. No research required, quick payouts and that equates to a potential income of $93000 per year. Why should I pay a platform like Elance for the honor of bidding on a job just to be underbid. Not to mention having to do the research and fact checking and hope you are giving the customer what they want. I know that there are some people that offer PLR packages that they got from iWriter as well as some blog content. I have seen some of the requests for articles on iWriter and then seen them advertised in areas as a PLR package. Same topic, same article titles. Maybe PLR and speculative writing is OK for some but for my writing effort I’ll hang in there at the $93K/year bracket and save my promoting talents for “evergreen” websites that continue to produce income month after month with little to no maintenance. Not much now, but when I can no longer put together a coherent sentence I will still have my $100K+ income.

  • Rach72 says:

    Well said Tiff.

    The other thing with marketing yourself to the ‘budget’ mentality is that you will never be able to pull yourself free from them. They do not care about the quality of the writing (no matter how much they say they do) and wouldn’t know a piece of great content if it came up and bit them on the bum.

    Neither do they appreciate the time that you have to spend researching so that they get that great informative content – so stick to your guns and price because there are plenty of people out there who DO appreciate it …. especially when you get out of the IM/AM marketplace ๐Ÿ˜‰

    Rach ๐Ÿ™‚

  • Eibhlin says:

    Wonderful advice!

  • It really can be done Tiff and thanks for saying that. I stopped writing $5-10/500 words and this year I was very strict about that. And guess what? I got this gig writing fiction at $25/500words!

    I got to set my own price and the whole gig didn’t take me a week to finish and I went home with some hundred$$.

    So listen to Tiff. You really can set your own price.

  • Bob says:

    hey Tiff

    No need to apologize to me ๐Ÿ™‚ I don’t use those sites.

  • Great post Tiffany! I know sometimes it is hard to find clients that value your worth. I think going to local offline businesses (not IMers) is where you will find the more lucrative options. I don’t think $25/an article is that great either, but if it requires no research or interviews, it is not bad. Thanks for sharing your review!

  • Sam says:

    Hi Tiffany:
    Great insite on this site. I will stick to Elance and Warrior forum. I have had good luck with both of these.

  • Hi Tiff,

    I love how you talked about providing the prospective client with samples that created specifically for them – that over delivering mentality at work once again. Love it!

  • Therese says:

    On this idea of having your own mart to sell from, I wonder if you saw the thread on the Warrior Forum about a new start-up called gumroad.com? It’s been created by a 19 year old who worked with Pinterest. He’s just attracted over $1 million from investors.

    http://www.warriorforum.com/main-internet-marketing-discussion-forum/538021-warriors-have-you-seen-site-gumroad-com.html

    “Basically, it allows anyone to upload anything and charge people for it. You could create music, an eBook, a blog post, and sell it within seconds. Once you’ve uploaded your file or even link to a post or website, you can specify your selling price, and Gumroad will take care of the payment and delivery.”

    I love this idea! The site is so simple. I’ve signed up but not used it yet.

  • Stan Fields says:

    I thought the Callen brothers were behind iWriter?

    • Tiffany says:

      Not sure about brothers. Brad’s the only one I’ve been in touch with.

      • Stan Fields says:

        You know of Brad but not of Matt, that’s odd, their partners with a lot of their products, as well as having individual ones. I must admit though, I find Brad much better than Matt.

        • Tiffany says:

          Yeah names mean nothing to me. LOL – there are a zillion high level marketers – many that don’t brand their name in the IM niche at all but make a ton of money.

  • Gail Hess says:

    Hi Tiff,

    I have been writing offline for many years, and make well over $100 for 500 words. If I do decide to sell my writing online I will never utilize the cheapie sites like these and plan on charging a fair wage – although I understand making what I earn per page offline is not likely online ๐Ÿ™‚

  • James Artre says:

    Who wants to be considered cheap?

    That’s a bad thing to be called in my neck of the woods ๐Ÿ˜‰

    “The hardest thing I had to overcome, was to sit across the table from someone and ask $14,000 for a single copywriting job; looking them dead in the eye when I asked for it, knowing that I was worth every penny of it.” ~ Dan Kennedy

    Never forget this: Your consumers will place the same value on you that you do.

    So, how much are you worth?

    Be good to yourself,

    James

    • Debi J says:

      Exactly James! My mom had a saying in our sarcastically humorous household…

      “Never tell people you’re cheap or easy…you’re inexpensive and CAN be had!”

      I miss my mom. ๐Ÿ˜›

      Tiff, this is why you offer the products you do…to teach people to be the best they can be and to build a business vs. earning a “get by” wage. And that’s why we all love you!

      Debi

  • Sheryl says:

    This is exactly what I found Tiff – the articles take so long to sell. I have sold 2 articles on Ghostblogger but they did sit there for quite some time before they sold.
    I think the whole concept is great and if they marketed the site it could do really well, but as you said, if they are just sitting back and not promoting the site then it is just going to sit there stale and is no good to anyone.
    I hope they pick up their game and get things moving as I really think it has a lot of potential.

  • Edie Dykeman says:

    Great advice! Also, I like James comment about putting value on what we do and how that will affect how others see us, and treat us.

  • Britt Malka says:

    Oh, I forgot…

    You wrote:

    “I find that the site is EXCELLENT to buy from. Iโ€™ll still be doing that!”

    Why are you buying articles?

    I thought the one you bought was boring. Absolutely not your style.

    There are very few people I would buy articles from, and I probably cannot afford them ๐Ÿ™‚ Those would be you, Paul Hancox, Bill Platt, John Schwartz, Rob Howard…

    • Tiffany says:

      Boring doesn’t phase me – no one can inject my own personality into an article. The quality was great as far as sentences and structure of thought. It passed copyscape (more than I can say for iwriter lol). All I would have to do with that article I bought it inject a bit of ME in there! Easy ๐Ÿ™‚

      Actually, I probably wouldn’t buy one with personality in it – because it would be someone else’s personality and not mine.

      • Britt Malka says:

        Thanks for both answers, Tiff

        Yes, I know you would put your own slant on the article. But I meant:

        Why do you buy in the first place?

        For the research? The inspiration? Or what?

        Sorry, I’m very curious ๐Ÿ˜€

        • Tiffany says:

          Oh same reason I buy any content. lol I use content in many niche markets and I have 3 ghostwriters I use routinely. I can buy a single article there for whatever purpose I need it for – a Squidoo lens, article, blog post, etc. I chose an IM one in this case just to showcase on this blog for the purpose of going over the site itself.

  • Katie says:

    Tiff. I’m reposting this question because it occurred to me that the page I posted it on isn’t as fresh and no one may see it.

    Does anybody know if iWriter is a secure website? My Firefox browser doesn’t detect any encryption.

  • Pat says:

    Does anybody know if Ghostbloggers is still alive? Last update on their Facebook page was Sep last year, I got no reply to a query I sent them and their requested projects seem to be unchanging.

  • Pat says:

    Thanks for reply Tiff. How do you see their replies to posts – I cannot find anything after Aug.
    Have to say it seems to be badly run site.

    • Tiffany says:

      Yep that’s why I removed my article and told them. They say they’ve been dealing w/some sort of bad members or hackers or something but really, it’s no excuse. Wish it would have worked out. On FB, you have to Like the page to be able to see it.

  • Marcos says:

    Hi Tiffany,

    I want to address some of the concerns your community may have about GhostBloggers.

    First, the site has been dormant for a little over a year and a half. The original developer/owner had another startup that took priority over Ghostbloggers and was not able to maintain the site.

    My company recently acquired the site (February 21st to be exact).

    I agree with you the site has a lot of potential. Which is the main reason my company purchased it. We are in the process of making many changes that will benefit both writers and publishers.

    We sent out an email notifying current writers of the relaunch, and have since been flooded with articles. Turn around times are slightly higher than we would like them to be at this point but should return to normal shortly.

    My background is in user experience and user acquisition. My primary responsibilities with Ghostbloggers is marketing. I am responsible for finding buyers for your content. My success is determined by your success.

    3 reasons why writers should use Ghostbloggers.net:
    1. As I mentioned above my background is in user acquisition and growth. I have marketing plans that are in effective on March 15th. We are focused on attracting higher quality writing gigs for our members.

    2. You set your own rates. I’ve heard over and over again that writers are not getting paid fairly. I completely agree, writers should place the price tag on their work. I get the impression that content mills are paying peanuts for high quality. Not the case at GhostBloggers.

    3. As a writer on our site your voice matters to us. You can help shape the product. After all, you are the expert. Just send us a mesage or tweet at us… @ghost_bloggers

    Feel Free to reach out to me directly mmoralez@ghostbloggers.net if you have any questions or feedback.

    Thanks!
    Marcos

    • Tiffany says:

      Cool thanks Marcos! Might give it another try then ๐Ÿ™‚

    • Dan says:

      I had signed up for Ghostblogger last year, but never got around to posting an article before it died. I was actually pretty surprised when I received the email saying it was starting up again.
      Two days ago I posted two articles on requested topics and they were accepted within a day, now I’m just waiting to hear back if the customers liked them.
      So I don’t know how lucrative it will be, but considering the pricing and the editing speed, it looks good.

  • Ghostbloggers has a lot of promise. I like its pricing set-up much more than Constant Content’s, which can be confusing at times. It’s great to know up front how much an article will fetch. With CC you have to deduct 35 percent from everything you write in order to figure out how much you’re going to come away with. Where Ghostbloggers drops the ball is in its lack of functionality. Today I went there to delete an article I wanted to post on my blog, only to discover that I couldn’t. There’s no delete button! Once an article has been posted on the site, it stays posted, indefinitely. I’m sure that this and other problems will be addressed sooner or later. Who knows? Once Ghostbloggers has better functionality and is marketed more vigorously, it could become the best content writing marketplace online.

  • Tony Held says:

    I just got my first contribution to GhostBloggers.net accepted. It concerns the popular hobby of model railroading (“Six do/do not tips for beginning model railroaders” is the title.) Since model railroading is so popular, won’t I easily get this baby sold after heavily promoting it via model train-related sites located around the Internet? Popular topics should *sell.*
    And why make GhostBloggers do all the promotion? Are not you, the author responsible for that?

    • Tiffany says:

      Glad you got your first one up Tony.

      No, the author certainly should promote his/her own writing, of course but GhostBlogger’s former owner did NOTHING to promote the site. He needs to brand the site as a go to place for quality content. I think they have new owners now though, who sent out an email specifying that they’d be working on that type of thing, so hopefully it’ll help!

  • They still haven’t done anything to improve the functionality of their site, and I want my articles back. Looks as if I’ll have to ask them to delete my account.

    I recently sold an article there, but since it went for less than $25 I can’t cash out. What’s interesting is that the article hasn’t appeared anywhere online, and it was purchased more than a week ago. You’d think the buyer would be in a hurry to post it on his or her website but apparently not.

    One thing I’ve learned from all of this is that the only way you can make decent money writing freelance is with a website of your own. Posting articles in freelance marketplaces like GhostBloggers in the hope that somebody will buy them is too much of a crap shoot.

    • Tiffany says:

      Maybe they used it as an email autoresponder. I don’t like how we can’t control the getting our article down part.

  • Denise Howell says:

    Hello Tiffany! I have just started to explore the world of content writing. I have been unemployed for over a year and am looking for options other than working in a manufacturing plant. I have recently signed up with textbrokers and London brokers and have been greatly disappointed. Today I submitted my first article to Ghostbloggers. Then I happened upon your site and saw all the bad reviews on Ghostbloggers. More disappointment, but not to despair! I really like all the positive input on here and am getting excited about a future in writing. Saw your course on ghostwriting and… More excitement. I am really interested in all the info you are offering in that course.
    Thanks!

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