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How to Protect Yourself From Sleaze Marketing

Hi everyone! How often have you had to go take a shower after you read an email, blog post, forum thread, or product from certain marketers?  They tend to make you feel dirty and foolish. There are a lot of scumbags in this industry – and a LOT of victims. I’ve been one. Not from my purchase of things, but as a service provider getting ripped off.

Still, I’m of the mindset that it’s YOUR responsibility to not become a victim. I fought back in my case and I’m going to show you how to as well. It isn’t fair because here you are wanting to learn the ropes of marketing but in order to do that you have to learn from other people. You have no clue who to trust, whose products work – you’re feeling like a lamb being led to slaughter half the time.

Greed is your obstacle – on both sides of the coin. The marketers operating sleaze tactics are full of greed. It’s their mantra – whoever dies with the most stuff wins. But don’t think for a minute we’re not guilty of greed, either as victims.

We are blinded by the riches we want. Very few people (compared to the total amount of individuals trying to succeed online) are willing to slowly build a sustainable, ethical business the right way.

You who follow me for the most part probably are, because you know I steer clear of get rich quick scams. But look around in forums (I see emails come to me too) and people are saying, “What can I do to make money FAST – my mortgage is due, etc.”

Call it desperation if you want, but in many cases, it can bring your ethics to its knees and make you more susceptible to sleaze tactics. You’re willing to write phony reviews. You’re thinking maybe it wouldn’t be that bad to spam for some backlinks. There are so many sleaze tactics it’s hard to count how many exist.

What is sleaze marketing?

It’s teaching someone in a manner that’s void of ethics. It might be a scummy strategy they know will expire and leave you scrambling in a few weeks. It might be the fact that their product leaves out details on purpose because they don’t welcome the competition.

It could be that they whipped up a WSO on how to make money BECAUSE they’re so flat broke they need to scam other people to make rent. It’s whenever they get so excited that some “bigger than them” marketer agrees to blast his list for them IF they’ll blast for him – and even though they KNOW he spams his list and the quality of his stuff stinks, they do it anyway because they want to level up.

It’s the person who charges $997 for their product worth only $27 because they learned it will be more in demand and people will max out their credit card if they put a catchy title like, “Make $1,976 in the next 24 hours with one push button technique!”

That’s sleaze marketing.

Look at this sleazy tactic that so many newbies succumb to: Fake “I Got Scammed” Review

Not only did this guy catch someone they know of a discount (lie), but they also lied about being an affiliate.

Who is practicing sleaze marketing?

You can pigeon hole a bunch of people, like “everyone in the Warrior forum” or “gurus” because then you look ridiculous. It’s obviously not true. It shows your anger and frustration, but it also means you aren’t taking responsibility for your victimization.

I got ripped off by one marketing guru who always kept promising to show me the ropes. He always got me to charge less, with promise of a big payday later. I let this crap go on for YEARS before I wised up. What made me stay? GREED! I wanted that big payday – I was soooo jealous that I was writing an eBook for $1,000 bucks and he’d make $10,000 on day 1 of his launch. I wanted to be able to someday lock arms with him and JV as a partner, not a service provider.

I wanted just enough info from him to know what marketing was all about and I figured once I learned, I would be able to THEN ethically teach it myself. Once I caught him scamming me, I felt like I had been whoring myself out. I stopped and boy was it hard. I had to turn down what had been steady work for years. But I felt clean and good and proud.

Many of these sleaze marketers – you’d never know were the scummy ones. They are the sweethearts in forums. They’re sometimes the most helpful ones, or the funny ones who make you laugh. But behind the scenes, they’re engaged in back scratching. “Hey you start a thread about MY product, and then we’ll have 10 more people from our mastermind group compliment it, and later I’ll come in and ‘aww shucks, thanks’ in front of everyone!”

I’ve seen this. Angered me SO bad when I found out it was some of the people I thought were good eggs.  Think I’m alone in knowing this goes on? Read this – this guy’s seen it too! It’s a strategy being TAUGHT!

So the answer is – you won’t know (could be a grandma, a moderator, or even someone who teaches ethics), but there are clues you can watch for. We’ll get into that in a second.

And don’t even try typing in (product name) + scam. That’s already been taught as a way to attract suspicious people and convert you into a customer.

When are you at your most vulnerable?

When you’re already at your rock bottom – when bills are past due, when a loved one passes away, when you’re lonely and scared and reaching out for help – that’s when the sharks start to circle and prey on your desperation.

Don’t think for a second these people (men and women) feel bad about your situation. They are looking at vacations THEY want to take, lying to themselves and saying they worked hard to get where they are – and your situation isn’t their fault, and convincing themselves their product might help you if you’re smart enough to “put it into action.”

Did you know some marketers were teaching others to blame the customer whenever they’d fail? They had catch phrases like, “it works IF you take action” (heard that one?) or “for those who are SERIOUS about making money online” (as if you were working this hard for fun).

The ones who take their time and aren’t desperate rarely get taken advantage of if they are diligent because they’re not rushing. They weed out the sleaze from the ethical marketers and pursue opportunities that are realistic.

Where sleaze marketers are lurking.

Allllll over the place! For all you know, I could be one (but I’ll show you how to find out in a sec). They’re in EVERY forum. They’re friends with a marketer who you DO trust wholeheartedly. They’re in free giveaways. They’re on ClickBank, PaydotCom, and every other processor. They’re sometimes top marketers on IM Report Card or have glowing reviews by the dozens on Amazon.  They rank high on Google because they aren’t stupid – just shady!

The ONLY one who can identify them is YOU – trust NO ONE (not even ME) to tell you who’s legitimate and who’s not. YOU are your expert, once you know how.

Even reviewers who are seemingly in the same boat can’t be trusted much of the time. This article explains recent news that researchers are developing ways to weed out sleaze tactics, like fake reviews in the marketplace. (hooray!). Look at this scenario the article discusses:

In February, the owner of a home improvement company in Texas posted an advertisement online for “a writer who can write and post 25 positive reviews” on eight popular websites, including Yelp, Google Places, and Citysearch. A man in Chittagong, Bangladesh, won the gig and agreed to do 200 fake write-ups for $100. Within days, rave reviews for the company started popping up online. The business owner, who spoke on the condition of anonymity, says he doesn’t feel bad about the deception. He says clients call all the time extolling his service, but they don’t post reviews.

What a SCUMBAG!!! He feels no remorse. If your business was that great, people WOULD go online and post reviews – or you could tell one of those “MANY” (wink wink) satisfied clients “thank you, and I’d love it if you’d post your feedback for others.”

Now is that so hard? No – but you don’t do that because you’re SLEAZY! And a Texan – UGH – get out of my state!

How you can protect yourself from this minute on.

First the stuff you don’t want to hear: Online marketing is NOT what you want to do if you’re unable to put food on your table and you’re about to lose your house. If you want to succeed, it takes a little awhile to build a long-term non sleaze business. It will NOT happen in 48 hours, period.

So if that describes you, PLEASE go try to get an offline job to take care of bills. If YOU tell yourself you’ll allow yourself to dabble in the sleaze JUST until you take the edge off financially, like selling a WSO on how to make money that you rewrote from another marketer, then YOU are part of the problem and should be ashamed of yourself.

Protecting yourself from sleaze marketing means you’re able to think clearly, have time to investigate and dip your toe in the water to see if a shark bites it. Desperate, panicked people do not have time and are not thinking clearly.

First, you have to read – a LOT! You have to go to forums, not “reviews” and see what people are saying abut this person. Do some investigation and see if you see them reply on the forum with a username that’s not their real name. Like “giftguru” or something. Take that username and plug it into Google. See what else they’re posting online. They may be in some other place talking about how they make money and get you to buy. (Scumbags often like to brag about their sleaze tactics – guess they think it makes them look so cool).

Realize that some marketers often PAY their subscribers to go onto places like IM ReportCard or WF to post glowing reviews – or simply ASK their loyal fans to go do it so that they’ll drown out people who DID report them as a scumbag. There are many people willing to permanently plant their lips on a gurus butt (wow look at how PC I’m wording that) just to be buddy buddy with him. It’s like some of these individuals never outgrew high school and are still trying to be BFFs with the quarterback or something.

And when I say you have to read a LOT – that means for a few days or a week or so, so if you’re panicking about a strategy being flooded in the marketplace, doesn’t that TELL you that maybe it’s not the kind of business you want to be building online? Don’t you want something that will last years so you don’t have to star from scratch in 6 weeks when Google does a smack down?

Pricing – is it affordable for you? Are you about to forego something your family needs because you’re crossing your fingers that you’ll make your money back before little Jimmy needs his fee to play on the local soccer team? Don’t do it! There are NO promises in IM – not with ANY product (not even my OWN)!

If a marketer emails you back after you spill your story of woe out and wonder if it’s possible to make $159 by next Thursday and he says YES so eagerly, he’s probably a scumbag. Unless…he is very careful to say it’s POSSIBLE but he doesn’t offer any guarantees because everyone’s different.

Realize he’s probably sitting there salivating over the prospect of a sale (and list subscriber, let’s not forget – so he can rip you off repeatedly). MOST marketers DO NOT CARE about getting to know YOU personally. Why is that? Why don’t they open their own email? Because putting a face to your receipt is uncomfortable to THEM.

Imagine if they got to be good friends with you, sharing heartfelt stories back and forth and then they had to sell you something knowing they were ripping you off. It might actually make them squirm a bit. They don’t want THAT!

Who’s scratching whose back? If you’re on my list, ask yourself how often I’ve promoted someone else. Not often. Now if you’re signed up to many lists, can you see the incestuous relationship happening with some of these people? You see the same names circulating around in a tight knit group.

That doesn’t always mean all in the group are scumbags but IF you know for a fact that someone’s sleazy and your FAVORITE marketer is promoting them, it should make you question them. For example. I promoted one product/person quite awhile back whose product was AWESOME.

But that person became a list whore. He pimped his subscribers out to every Tom, Dick and Harry on the ‘net – not a couple of times, but a couple of times PER DAY! It was the most atrocious case of greed I’ve ever seen.

What did I do?

I blogged that I could not promote this person or product anymore because of this. I emailed that person to TELL them what I thought about their tactics. And I emailed my list.

In other words, I was VOCAL and fought back!

Don’t rush into a purchase. If something launches, it does not make you cooler if you’re one of the first to buy it. Let others grab it and implement it and see their feedback. Are they abandoning it? Are they raving about it? Are they only raving because now they’re affiliates? Be skeptical – always, until someone gives you a reason not to be.

Why it’s important for you to be a sleaze fighter.

What I teach here is ethical marketing. I don’t care WHICH niche you’re in, you want to be respectable. Your online dealings are leaving a footprint on the ‘net and people will find out what you stand for (if anything). You need to help squelch the sleaze tactics that are causing people to be skeptical about all Internet businesses.

Also, it’s just the right thing to do. Preventing another victim is practicing ethics. Call it good karma or whatever you want to – but it’s what you should be doing.

Here’s a sleaze marketing tip article where I agree with everything BUT one answer. They state:

You explain why you are good rather than why the competition is bad. You know that running down the competition only makes you look jealous or defensive.

Now to some degree, this is accurate – you should stress your unique qualities that set you apart. But I also encourage you to shine a light on what is bad within the marketing industry (or other niche). People don’t just want to be educated about the GOOD – they want to know what they should AVOID – and they’re potentially building trust with you to help show them the way.

When and if you get scammed, here’s what you do:

You first contact the person and give them up to one week to respond. I know normally I answer in hours, but many people have tons of emails to go through, so give them 7 days.

If they don’t respond, take it to your blog. And a forum that matters to them.  Keep in mind you can’t “name and shame” in the main section of WF but you can post a review of their product in the review section!

Tell your list. Spread the word about who they are and what they did.

Refund. I know many people who don’t refund. There are a few marketers who drag out the communication to prevent a refund because your time expires. Go straight to ClickBank and escalate it. Bypass the product owner if you KNOW there’s no way to solve this problem at this point.

Don’t be a part of the problem – by ignoring it, by being friends with sleazy marketers, or by becoming a victim to it.

Tiff

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44 Responses to “How to Protect Yourself From Sleaze Marketing”

  • You wrote about a topic near and dear to me heart.

    Having been marketing online now since 1997, I think I can see I’ve seen it all from then until now. And because for the most part, I stayed in specific niches, I missed alot of the true scams that really abound online.

    I once wrote that it’s a marketer’s job to make you want to fling your wallet at him…and it’s a consumer’s job to be as educated as possible.

    When things sound too good to be true, you own your actions…you *need* to educate yourself *not* to be scammed. The sad fact is, there will always be unscrupulous people out there… but they don’t always have to get *your* money.

    What gets me is when marketers will say, follow XYZ steps, just like I did, and you’ll be just as successful as me! That’s like an Olympic swimmer telling you, follow this method of training, and soon you’ll be winning Gold medals too!

    It totally ignores your:

    Health
    Knowledge
    Determination
    Time allowance
    Stamina
    etc.etc.etc.

    Carry that over to being profitable online – you need to take into consideration *your*:

    Knowledge
    Willingness to learn
    Comfort level
    Time allocation
    Technical knowledge
    Sales knowledge
    Graphics knowledge

    etc.etc.etc.

    One size never fits all!

    But only you know what will fit…you.

    That be my take.

    • Tiffany says:

      Agree Barbara! That’s why when people ask me if they can make $X by X date, I say “no clue! I don’t know your talent, time to invest, motivation, etc)”

  • Hi Tiff

    Thanks for speaking out so passionately on this subject.

    If there were more honest people like you online I.M. would be all the better for it.

    You are so right to tell people to stand up and speak out when they get scammed.

  • Great post Tiff. I fell victim to a lot of rehashed WSO junk for a long time, searching for that “magic bullet” (there aren’t any).

    You’re so correct about the long term business model and brand building – that’s really the only way to do it.

    Chris…

  • Alice Coaxum says:

    Thanks for sharing this! There is so much sleazy scammy marketing going on. So much of it I just dismiss because I know it’s crap.

    It’s a shame that sleazy people depend on people being desperate but we do have to start doing our homework and not just whipping out our credit cards. I have been scammed in the past but now I try to be extra careful and investigate before I buy. Many times I find out that things are not what they are being said to be. Many WSO’s I don’t buy because they are looking scammy. Now I’m not saying the whole WF is like this but I see it does attract scumbags.

    I’d rather go slow, ethically and be there for the long run.

  • Deb Henry says:

    GREAT article Tiff! I love all the info, links and hints and tips you wrote about.

    I too receive emails from desperate people who need money… fast.

    Which is precisely why I spend my time finding ways that ARE proven methods via eBay.

    And actually, there ARE ways to get money in your pocket quickly (unless PayPal holds your money… a whole OTHER issue, there) by selling coupons and other free/almost free/cheap stuff. BUT, that’s my brand, and what I want to be known for… “the cheap & easy” eBay lady — LOL! pun intended (kinda!).

    Best ~Deb

  • This is what kept me out of IM for a long time. I’ve seen a lot of scum over the years. I kept telling myself that surely there was a better way and there were ethical marketers out there…somewhere.

    I would look, find more scum, give up, get bit by the IM bug again, look again, find more “new” scum…etc. I never fully gave up, but did stop looking several times.

    Luckily, I started finding the good ones last year and had one of those “Wow! I knew it could be done” moments.

    Thanks for sharing your insights.

  • Zoe says:

    I’ve made bad choices, and I’ve tried being more careful now. But something that gets me and now I find hilarious because I know it’s not real, is when I get an email from a marketer on some shiny new product, and they said that so and so is their friend so they twisted their arm to get this huge discount for his/her subscribers, so hurry and get before “whatever date”. Then I get at least several more emails, from different marketers who happened to also be good friends with so and so of the shiny object and somehow managed to get a discount only for his/her subscribers. All the emails are the same? I use to believe them at first.

    • Debi J says:

      I’ve seen this tactic very recently with a very good PLR Provider or 2. Hopefully they’ll see this and put that tactic to an end fast because I really like their stuff, but I won’t continue to buy from them until it stops.

      And it’s really easy to find out if that’s what they’re doing. Simply go to the actual author’s page and see what they’re offering it for (be sure to click to stay on the page and see the *discounted* price if the original price is higher.

      Debi J

  • Derek says:

    Great post and discussion on the prevalence of sleaze marketing and what we can do to identify it, and how to respond if we fall for it.

    I’ve been a member of your list for a little while now, and have just recently started to become more vocal. Why? Because you have proven yourself to me that you care about the people you do business with and aren’t just trying to squeeze every penny out of your list.

    Too many times I’ve bought a product of some sort (really getting better at ignoring the BSO syndrome) and instantly that marketer bombards me with different product offers. And as you said, you quickly see the same offers popping up from a lot of the IMers in this group. They get a quick unsubscribe from me, including a note as to why, and not a single one of them has ever taken the time to respond.

    Thanks for everything you do Tiff!

  • Nancy Farris says:

    Thanks for posting this, Tiff!
    I got taken by some scammers early in my internet marketing exploration as well – - fortunately it wasn’t really high $$, but it definitely leaves an impression!

    I’m grateful that you linked to those two articles. The first one didn’t surprise me and I tend not to believe those, but the second one – I’d never heard of that tactic before, and the fact that it’s taught… appalling! I’ll never see the forums quite the same way, again!

    Thank you for that heads up!! I feel very grateful to have discovered some decent and ethical marketers in the past year, and it’s kinda sad that we still need to be on the lookout for the unethical ones.

    I’m so happy to see there are others writing blog posts about it besides you! Yippee!!

    My business may be growing much more slowly, but I am and will be happy knowing I can sleep at night, and stand to look at myself in the mirror.

    Thanks again for keeping the conversation open!

  • Patrick says:

    Thanks Tiffany, a great article, I sincerely believe that the most important quality in any business, or business person, is complete and open honesty. Anything less than that and the business will eventually fail. I’ve learnt over the years to pick out the scammers and liars, or most of them, and it never fails to surprise me the depths of dishonesty some people will sink to. You have written a great article, and it will surely stop some people from being scammed. You should be very proud of yourself.

  • Randy Y says:

    After having been led astray too many times to count…or care to, I have a quick way of deleting a lot of these IM products. Any product that starts includes making “easy money with just (fill-in-the-blank) clicks of the mouse” gets deleted. Anyone who fills my email box with more than two emails on any given day, gets an immediate unsubscribe. Not a fool proof method, just my way of quick “filtering”.

    Thanks for your open and frank discussions, Tiff! Refreshing as always.

  • Rach72 says:

    Wow! Awesome post Tiff!

    I get really annoyed with people constant coming online and wanting the quick fix, or someone to do the work for them – off course these people feed the ‘guru’ ego and it starts a downward spiraling cycle.

    It’s hardly ever about the ‘guru who stole $10,000 off me’ but the marketers who keep spending $47, then $67, then $97 then $597, then $1000 plus to get the same information rehashed different ways.

    Newbies to the game have to learn what it is they are being told to do and what it is they are promoting. Ignorance is not an excuse when you are dealing with other peoples money.

    And you are so right about people speaking up, fortunately I have seen a tide switch over the last 12 months where more people ARE sticking up for themselves and for other people.

    The changes that Google has made have also helped to weed out the ‘dodgy’ participants – they are easy to spot over at WF every time Google sniffs ;)

    The marketing from these sleaze bags is now getting so desperate that it is bordering on ridiculous – but the good thing is that at least one of these guys has seen the change and has gone to ground – great! I would predict that a few more of the persistent ones will follow, leaving their hapless prodigies taking the fall.

    At the end of the day, if you are doing IM/AM it is a business. Your business, YOUR decisions and YOUR responsibility. Treat it with the respect that it deserves.

    Rach

  • LindaP says:

    Fortunately, or may unfortunately (depending on how you look at it-LOL!), I never had the money to be taken too much by the scummy marketers. I was fortunate to find this and a few other blogs that were written by people that really care about their readers. I have had a new rule for a while now. Anytime I get the ‘same’ email like those mentioned in other comments, where they all are ‘friends twisting the marketers arm for a special discount’ ALL of those people are immediately unsubscribed. I don’t spam and I don’t have time to read spam from others.

    While I don’t always agree with everything everyone that comments on this blog says, most of the time they are respectful, kind, and caring. That in itself tells me a lot about you Tiffany. As the ‘leader’ of this group, you set the tone.

    Great article. Thanks!

  • Jen says:

    Great advice here Tiff. It is hard to hear when you are desperate for money, that you’re just not going to able to do it online lickety split. Tons of false promises out there. I was in exactly that position myself. I was desperate for money and yes, I went online to see if I could get my quick fix. Those promises to make me rich were so tempting, but I literally had no money to buy them with (thank goodness) and there was no way I was going to borrow money. The old adage kept popping into my brain ‘If it looks too good to be true…it probably is’.

  • Tasha says:

    Don’t be surprised that 1 or more of the people commenting on how happy they are that you are shining a light on this disgusting subject, aren’t in fact those of whom you’re speaking of.

  • Dave Bross says:

    There’s some terrific info on the Warrior Forum but you have to drill down to get it.

    Just as Tiffany suggested with running a marketer’s name through the search engines, it’s also interesting to track them backwards in time in the WF.

    You’ll soon see who is OK by what/how much info they put out there and what’s the overall reaction to them…other than the “cheerleaders” who already “drank the Kool Aid”.

    The real heavy hitters with ethics will get very serious respect in the follow up posts and often put in a lot of detail on how they’ve done things. They’ll have a boatload of thanks on the bottom of their posts too.

    Example?

    Check this out, it’s Alexa Smith, one of my favorite reads on WF:

    http://www.warriorforum.com/main-internet-marketing-discussion-forum/218961-selecting-product.html#post2161932

    The real danger to evaluating things on the WF is all the glowing fake responses, mostly the ones on the WSOs.

    The advice to wait it out and watch for objections is good…the old southern way of not getting in a hurry will save your backside repeatedly.

    Dave

  • Deb Marsden says:

    Man oh Man were you ever on a roll!!! A bit of passion there. Those words could easily have been coming out of my mouth.

    I’ve been scammed a number of times, paying a small fortune because I was trusting that those promoting were going to deliver.

    I learned about black hat tactics and I know that some people do the link swapping and fake reviews but wasn’t aware it was so prevalent.

    I decided not to create a business that used those methods for success. As a result I gave up a number of times but as you can see I’ve come back.

    I’ve come back because I know I have a chance at success just like everyone else and I’m willing to do it the slower but ethical way.

    What I have not done however, that you have, is to be vocal about it. That has now changed. I will let people know if a find a product that’s dodgy or if their promises are unrealistic and misleading.

    I am in WF and I see some of the stuff there that makes my eyes roll back in my head. I see a lot of know-it-all’s whose agendas I question.

    On the other had, there are so many new people who really want to learn something helpful and don’t know where else to go. Maybe we need to keep an eye out for them along the way.

    Thanks for the great post Tiff.

  • TODD says:

    Tiffany, You’ve stirred up a hornets nest!
    I appreciate your integrity and candor as a business person.

    The only one who can protect you is you. Not the Federal Trade Commission.

    IM is a long term business. Looking for rapid profits is unwise. Don’t believe the hype!

    It would be great if we (IM folks) could police ourselves. That would prevent the Feds from adding even more rules on the direct sales industry including IM.

    Maybe a new website could be born from your post: SleazyMarketers.com where if all of your followers post their experiences with product names (real names might be a libel/defamation case waiting to happen) as the code, then everyone would be the wiser.

    Anti-spam laws didn’t work.
    Prohibition laws didn’t work either, but at lest we’ll be able to boycott those that are not worthy of our hard earned dollars.

    Thanks again for being a beacon of light in an ocean of confusion.

    Todd

    P.S. I got my first refund Sunday for a product I’ve sold for years. Of course I granted it, right when the request came in. Which was 27 minutes after she downloaded it. Fast reader, eh? She read over 273 pages of info and bonuses and claimed, “I can get the same info. online for free.” Okay, refund granted, enjoy the book and the bonuses was my reply! Your next post, Sleazy Customers LOL.

    • Tiffany says:

      I think someone’s talked about doing that before but naming and shaming opens you up to some sort of slander legal issues. Agree about sleazy customers. Ugh! They’re just as bad.

  • Gary says:

    Hi Tiffany,

    As usual a great article hitting a nail on the head!

    As a fellow Texan (formerly from Dallas-Go Cowboys!) I agree with you on the scumbag home improvement owner. get him out of our great state.

    But unfortunately the problems being discussed are here to stay and have been since man first decided to start charging money for whatever they had.

    And another more important point to mention and in fact one that is still being taught in colleges and universities business programs especially advertising is that you ‘Have to sell the sizzle – not the steak’.

    So that is one problem that most people have from being scammed is that they are buying the sizzle and forgetting that there is a steak involved also (commonly known as that 4 letter word, W O R K!)

    On your point of not being afraid to ask for a refund your answer is 100% on the mark. I have and will continue to ask for a refund if it is the fault of the product or the provider but if the fault lies with me because of the ‘sizzle factor’ and I 1) did not read or fully understand what I was purchasing or 2) purchased a product or program knowing full well that I did not have any of the necessary software programs to make it work (Camtasia, Photoshop, etc) or 3) new full well that I did not have the necessary time nor knowledge to put it all together then I just bite the bullet and tell myself to be more aware the next time I want to do something stupid.

    I am also an internet marketer and I pride myself on the one fact that in big, bold letters on any of my sites you will see a statement that I do offer a 100% no questions asked refund policy, even on PLR products that I have created or purchased even if they contain everything including the kitchen sink. If a person is really disatisified with what I offer then I do not want their money just so I can make a buck. I would rather have them as a satisfied customer who can always say that that they got a great deal from me.

    Enough ranting and keep up the good work.

    Gary

    P.S. I make quite a few purchases on the Warriors Forum and I have learned whom the good guys are and never hesitate to give them a good recommendation.

  • Sharon says:

    Wow…you are absolutely right Tiff. I hate sleazy marketing with a passion! I love this:

    Now if you’re signed up to many lists, can you see the incestuous relationship happening with some of these people? You see the same names circulating around in a tight knit group.

    Yes, I do see the relationship and I unsubscribe. I hate it when marketers spam. I unsubscribe from lists that do nothing but try to sell, sell, sell. No helpful information…they are just so selfish!

    I went online because we needed to pay the rent. I was one of those ‘desperate’ people. But my family needed every penny I made so I don’t really purchase products. I offer services mostly and withdraw my money from paypal to meet needs at home. But I have bought some stuff – things that are not more than $20USD or within that region and I’ve hated buying fluff.

    This post has given me a lot to think about. Thank you for the time you so obviously put into this. :)

  • Sunshine says:

    This article should be required reading for anyone wishing to enter the world of an online business.

    I would agree with your assessment for the new person attempting to earn a living online thinking they can just ‘sleaze’ sell long enough until the money rolls in and then they’ll change for the better.

    It won’t work.

    Once a person travels down that road it will become more difficult for them to course correct back onto the high moral road. Especially in this economy, it’s just not worth your soul.

  • Thanks Tiffany, I have a couple of bad names, but will not mention them because of slander laws, but we should be able to post the best, such as Tiffany, Craig and Debra, etc.

  • Katie says:

    Wow, I didn’t know that scummy marketers would go as far as to actually get people to post fake positive things about them on forums. That’s pretty slick. Thanks for making me aware of that.

  • Kathy says:

    Tiff, not only a great post on sleaze marketing but an excellent example of curation posting. I haven’t read anything about this before so it’s a relief to know that I only need use anchor text, I don’t need to write an intro/outro to the other posts.

    Thanks for the great lesson.

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