iWriter – Why Marketers and Freelancers Alike Should Avoid It
December 9th, 2011 | 
Author: Hi everyone! Reading a flurry of angry emails this morning – not directed toward me, but about a site called iWriter that’s owned by Brad Callen and possibly some others (not sure who else, if anyone).
UPDATE: Had to hand my own ass to myself in this post because I just became a hypocrite. Still, Brad wasn’t right – and neither was I! We were BOTH wrong.
Update #2: I will give this to Brad. He doesn’t like people having a negative view of his site and he seems to be taking steps to make it a better place. He PM’d me with two updates. The first, he said – is as follows (his words verbatim):
The Copyscape check is fully in place now. There should not be any instances where an article doesn’t pass Copyscape. Here is a screenshot of what happens if someone tries submitting an article that is found elsewhere on the internet:
http://screencast.com/t/TFaL4DIT (note, the text in the screenshot was just text we copied and pasted from Wikipedia I believe, except for the beginning which I edited already)
You’ll notice that the copied text is highlighted yellow, as well as the red error message at the top of the page.
The second update, he sent me is as follows (again, his words):
Hey Tiff, also just bumped up the price for Elite articles a bit today. Slowly creeping it up. Now 500 word article for $10. Also working on a deal and system to get Elite writers eBook writing gigs for creating Kindle eBooks.
So Bravo that he’s really taking steps to improve the site for writers AND buyers alike. I admire that in a marketer. Now here’s the original post, but if I hear of anymore updates/improvements, I’ll post the up here also:
Background Story:
Now a few weeks back, Brad contacted me via Warrior Forum asking me to promote this site. I told him no and told him why – it goes against the grain of what I teach freelancers to do in my Ghostwriting Cash course – build a business that helps you achieve maximum earnings for your talent.
When he came back asking me what he could do to get me to change my mind, promising me pretty much anything I wanted, I explained that if the site ever changed to have a fair wage area for advanced writers, then let me know and I’ll check it out.
His goal, he said, was to build up to higher wages for the writers, but first he needed to attract more freelancers to the site. (Which to me sounds backwards because you don’t attract people with something that disgusts them but whatever).
I left it at that – until now.
Oops!
But apparently yesterday they send out an email to the WRITERS on the site (an error perhaps?) and boy did it piss off the people who had signed up to freelance there! (reading on the WAHM forum looks like a lot of people had the same reaction).
The title of the email said, “Where I buy all of my articles and content. Dirt cheap.” Well that’s the way to motivate more freelancers to get onboard, don’tcha think?
Not.
The email goes on to say why they should use this site, including this gem here:
1. It’s SO cheap. Only 67 cents per 100 words. There is no place on the planet that’s cheaper than this.
LMAO wonder why there’s no other place on the planet? Perhaps because it’s a shitty thing to do? Maybe not for poor writers or those who can’t string some English sentences together, but it’s not a good wage so most freelance sites either leave it to the freelancer to create a fair bid of their own OR set rates higher.
But this one is my favorite. It absolutely is guaranteed to make freelancers everywhere abandon such fair freelance marketplaces like Elance for iWriter when they read THIS:
2. You pay exactly NOTHING if you don’t like an article that’s been written for you. You can approve or reject articles as they are written. You only pay when you approve an article.
Now here’s where I have a problem with this. It’s actually not with the idea of rejection itself, because sometimes as a buyer, you DO get crappy deliverables where a freelancer did a piss poor job or plagiarized.
But this company is ADVERTISING it as a perk and I guarantee you that many shady marketers are going to take your work, refuse to pay, and USE your content anyway! Good luck on you trying to track it down and make them stop, too. You shouldn’t be advertising that as a perk!
Other sites have escrow where mediation is involved. But iWriter doesn’t even promote fairness – it’s a flat out bonus for marketers who don’t want to pay much, IF at all.
Anyway…I can’t really shed a tear for you if you sign up for this and then get offended when they laugh about it. I had a marketer who I caught disparaging me (laughing about how he tricked me into whittling down my prices) in a seminar I transcribed and I never worked for him again.
If you knowingly continue to freelance here, then bend over and take it where they’re giving it, because there’s no reason any halfway decent freelance writer should be here churning out articles “as low as $2.00” where you can earn “UP TO $4.00 per article.”
This is for foreign, non English speaking writers or spinners only – I wouldn’t waste my time otherwise.
Why marketers themselves should avoid iWriter:
I’m a buyer of ghostwriting myself. There’s a reason I don’t buy content from iWriter. I buy it from Elance and from freelancers who I try out and pay direct.
As a marketer, you want your content to be stellar. Even those who can’t afford perfection at $30 per page want decent writing for their $10 per page content.
Have you ever sat in a workplace where workers were paid minimum wage and looked at their morale? Especially if the boss is giggling about how “dirt cheap” he gets the labor – does that make for a happy employee who does good work?
No, it doesn’t. What it means for you marketers buying content at prices like this is that one of three things will happen:
1. You’re going to get crappy quality because people in other countries who can’t write well but who can live off “as low as $2.00 per article” will be writing for you.
2. You’ll get good quality, but it won’t last – because this is a newbie freelancer who will get wise to the fact they’re getting screwed and quickly abandon such platforms. And then you’re back to square 1 looking for someone to write for you, and the voice of your business changes again.
3. You’ll encounter a frazzled freelancer who has to juggle too much at once trying to make ends meet because the rates they’re being paid aren’t fair. They’ll be late, the work will be half assed or plagiarized because they’re trying to take on too many “$2-4 gigs,” or they’ll flat out be disgusted with what they’re having to do and their lack of enthusiasm will shine through in the deliverables.
As a marketer, I have a conscience. It doesn’t mean I pay outside of my affordability level but I DO pay what I can and what’s fair. And with my primary ghostwriter, whenever I have extra, I send her a bonus because I know she works hard for me.
I know when I was ghostwriting, I took more care and put in more effort for nice clients than I did the scumbags. It was just an attitude and mentality when I sat down to research and write – I wanted the good guy to get something amazing and I really didn’t give a shit what some shady marketer got, so I just did the work, period – with a lack of enthusiasm for it that can tilt the scales from “good” to “fantastic.”
I don’t know – I know some of you flat out DO NOT CARE and well, that’s on you. I DO care, so I don’t believe this is something worth promoting and in fact, I think it’s something I have to officially warn people NOT to do since many of my readers are out there looking for freelance work.
Someone emailed me saying that maybe if I write about it, he’d change the site to be more fair. No, that’s not going to happen and here’s why – I’m sure it’s going quite well for him!
There will ALWAYS be cheap marketers who don’t care about quality and who only want low prices or, are perfectly fine using many writers and paying TOO low of wages because they justify it by saying they’re on a budget (then save up like I did).
And there will ALWAYS be freelancers hearing about this “great new site for writers where ALL the marketers are going” and get roped in out of sheer ignorance that it’s not necessary. In fact one girl said a marketer told her that if she signed up to iWriter, he’d use her.
You bet he’ll USE her.
You have to learn to approach your freelance business like a business – not like you’re a peon who is struggling to take whatever scraps are offered to them.
Anyway that’s my opinion on the site.
Tiff
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Tiffany,
I received that email yesterday as well. Thank you for disecting it for us. I know I can always count on you to stick up for those of us who are struggling writers.
Many thanks, and keep up the good fight!
Cindi
Cindi are you signed up as a writer there? Just curious how you felt getting the email if so. You might not be signed up there.
Tiffany-
No, I never did sign up with them.
I signed up with iWriter but never write anything due to the low pay. Receiving that email yesterday seemed like a slap in the face, even if I haven’t created content for this company. I know what Brad pays is low but reading a blatant promotion for the “dirt cheap” content is just offensive.
I hope it was an error to send this email to his writer list, but even if it was, it just shows that he couldn’t care less about those writing for his content mill.
I signed up at iWriter when the site was first launched, but never wrote for them because the offers were low and rejection rates high.
I received the email and agree with Kecia 100%. The email just shows he doesn’t really care about the writers who are helping him earn money.
I wholeheartedly agree. I saw that email and gagged, before filtering everything from him so it goes into my “junk” folder.
I’ve never written for less than $15/article. If someone wants quality, they’ll pay for it. If they want something cheap instead… I don’t write that and never will.
It drains the energy out of you, when writing it is a word-by-word humiliating experience. You go to the mirror and ask yourself how you sunk so low.
For someone who’s an apprentice or whose English is shaky, it may be okay to take low-paying gigs during the learning phase. That’s what sites like Constant Content are for; you can start at the low end of things, and work your way up – on your own terms. (For me, that’s the key part of this: The writer chooses the terms and pricing.)
However, $2 articles… and some guy laughing at how “smart” he is to get writers who are that desperate…? That’s stomach-turning.
Thanks for standing up for ethics and morality in the field of writing & marketing.
hi,i just wanted to inquire where and how you get $15 articles as i would like to also start getting them.I am currently getting $2 dollar articles.From one freelance writer to another.Thanx
I had received the invitation to write for iWriter and then got a few emails from people who asked if I would like to write for them (through iWriter) — I did not sign up for iWriter for the obvious reason. But a couple of people who invited me to write for them through iWriter were shockers to me. Two were people I respected and had purchased from in the past and I was astounded at their lack of respect for writers. I have unsubscribed from them and won’t do business with them again now that I see where their heads are.
This post delights me — it says it all. Thanks once again Tiffany for capturing the horror of places like iWriter.
Cheers,
Joanne
I looked at the site when it was advertised all over the place, but then I saw the rates and heard about the high client rejection rates and didn’t bother signing up. Hearing about this latest fiasco reaffirms that decision.
Tiffany — I completely understand where you’re coming from, and got my start as a writer (and have helped many others get their start over the years as well).
With that said, I have purchased content at iWriter, and there are a few things I want to point out, based on what you’ve written above.
1. If you reject content as a buyer, you have no way of using it…unless you sit there and hand type it yourself (you’re not able to copy and paste until you accept).
I suppose some will do that, but your “reject” rate is prominently posted on the buyer’s file (the writer can see that before grabbing a job from that client). A scamming client would quickly get “outed” and probably ousted from the site.
2. The client pays a higher rate for writers who have been awarded high ratings. The client can also tip the writer for outstanding work. With those things combined, the pay for the writer is in line with Demand Studios and others — maybe a little less.
3. I certainly advocate building one’s own ghostwriting business and naming your own prices — but many writers/stay at home mom’s and dad’s/etc. are perfectly content to grab jobs here and there when they can or want to, vs. fully establishing a ghostwriting business.
4. The writer will not be “late” because they are given a time limit to complete the article before it must be delivered. I haven’t paid attention to the exact limit, but I believe it’s no more than a few hours. As soon as a writer accepts an article job, they complete it. I’ve not had an issue with late delivery there at all. I like this method, because it ensures the writer doesn’t take on more than they can handle.
With that said, the email (I did not receive it, as I’m not signed up for a writer there, nor do I know anyone who is) is callous and Brad absolutely needs to apologize.
The fact is that I hire and work with many different writers, on sites like this, NeedAnArticle, and from writers I’ve “taught” — there are certain times where you need quality content quickly, without dealing with individual writers who may or may not deliver on time due to this or that issue (I’ve been there myself!). I love being loyal to writers I’ve developed a relationship with, but there is a place for a service like this as well.
With iWriter, I’m able to select for top quality, ensure that I’m getting it, tip writers who do well, and reject any junk that happens to get through.
I’ve personally been happy with my experience as a client.
If a writer needed quick cash, it wouldn’t take long for them (if they are quality) to reach the 5 star level to get paid more for their work.
It might give them the confidence to start their own writing business or satisfy their need for cash on the side.
Quick question/comments Jenn – and thanks for cluing me in on the other side too fyi
1. Cant the buyers just create new usernames if their reject rate gets too high? It’s free to create an account, right?
2. I could easily screen capture the content and write it if i can see it.
3. What’s the highest rate a writer can get paid – isn’t it just $6 for like a 700 word article? I know there’s a ceiling and while you’re cool and tip I bet that’s a big rarity.
4. If someone’s content, that’s fine – more power to them. But why be content w/those prices when it’s totally unnecessary?
Just my thoughts – I know you have higher standards than many marketers, so you’re not really the client profile I’m describing lol
Hey Tiff –
It’s free to create an account — that’s a good question.
I wonder if pressed enough, Brad could ensure writer’s he’d put up more protections for them. Tracking IP’s (there are ways to get around that of, course, but it could be a deterrent).
Maybe any writer falling below a 50% rejection rate would be banned, or something like that.
Maybe he could do like Constant Content and only show 1/2 or 3/4 of the content before the client accepts.
Not sure on what the ceiling is for writers. The minimum the client pays on a 4.8 to 5 star writer is $8.00 — $10 for 700 words. Writers get 81% of the price of the article, BUT clients can choose to pay more to entice higher quality writers. So, there really is no top limit. Then, the client can choose to tip. Not everyone will, of course, but that’s what it is currently.
I totally feel you on why someone would be content with these prices. There are some (like you and I!) who were always raring to go to offer services and build our business. There are others who are very timid and just don’t feel experienced enough yet — that’s what I gather from some, anyway.
They just want to do a job here and there. More power to them! It’s a tough economy and this is another choice.
I do think if writers go this route, they should look at NeedAnArticle, Constant Content, and sites like that to build confidence and get higher rates at the same time.
Anyway, just my thoughts
I think Brad should definitely make some changes for writers — perhaps by having an “Elite” set of writers who pass some sort of quality test (beyond their initial 30 ratings), and are put into a higher paid category for clients who want fast, top quality work.
Gah! Tons of errors there. I meant “any CLIENT falling below a 50% rejection rate.”
I think you mean “any client GOING ABOVE a 50% rejection rate.”
Spot on Jenn.
I think Brad is a good man and is being unfairly treated.
lol that’s ironic
But seriously though – I’m not saying anything against Brad as a person. I don’t know him. I’m saying this is why I didn’t promote it when asked and I think it was in poor taste for him to email his writers and marketers touting the “dirt cheap pricing” and “no payment if you want to reject stuff” elements. If the site is good for freelancing, then promote it was a viable marketplace – why tilt the scale in favor of client over seller? No need for it, period. It helps develop the scummy mindset of people wanting to pay nothing and get something. Not Jenn – she does it right – tipping, etc., but look at the forums – too many are NOT built w/her ethics.
He is saying lowest prices anywhere and your satisfaction guaranteed.
All businesses do that.
This isn’t a product – it’s a service. If you’re all for those wages and practices, then good for you – I disagree and frown on it heavily. Especially promoting it on the biased to buyers side. End of story.
Hi Tiffani,
I was on iwriter for a while trying to make it work for me and I am based in South Africa.
As far as fairness goes Brad did go to the trouble of changing my rating back to where it
should have been after two customers unfairly trashed rating due to lack of clear description of what they were looking for and he restored the rating I had so I would not say he is absolutely unfair. From the perspective of making it viable for people to make good money from the site I would say I agree with people who say that your content can be copied when it is rejected and the likes and even with the exchange rate being high (South African currency is non existent compared to USA currency) I still have made peanuts from over 30 articles ranging from 200 to 800 words.
I would though say that it does allow or grant people who are not top writers to improve their writing skills whilst getting feedback and that the feedback from the customers can be very encouraging and motivate the writer to do better, granted that the motivation can be as I read earlier from the comments, not be entirely for your good always but for you to “bend down and take it” happily as it were. I believe that good is more powerful than evil, and that it sometimes uses evil for the good and I guess the good wont be good earnings but rather a more positive writer and one with improved skills ast times.Out of over 30 articles I had two rejections and one was due to me accidentally having writen same article for a second request. The site also makes you more competitive as you see other ratings and try match yours faster. So one has to look albeit at the good and the bad as some sites expect you to have doctorates to be accepted as a writer. Am I still writing on iwriter you ask?
no the pay is measly and not worth it even from South Africa.
I do a little on iWriter each week, and there are pros and cons. This being the holiday season, of course, the extra money is nice. I do have a couple of people who constantly request me, and since I’ve made it to the elite status, I get paid the most possible on the site.
On the other hand, I have had articles rejected for STUPID reasons, and yes, they probably are using my articles. I have only had that happen twice, however, but it stings.
I write for a lot of Squidoo-ers (outside of iWriter, of course), and I am building up my writer site. Word of mouth is making me more money writing than iWriter ever will. Maybe someday I won’t need to use that site.
That’s awesome Veronica!
Hi
As a member of iwriter,i would like to get some information from you on iwriter.I am new writer and wriitng there but want to earn some good money.I am biding on some writing sites but its very time consuming .
Do you have some other such sites on where you are working ? If you know them ,will you please provide me such sites?
thanks
I like Elance as a buyer and formerly, a writer.
Hi Tiff
I got the email because I bought a tool off Brad Callen so I have been getting these emails since the site first went up, and have always been shocked at the low cost of the pay for the writers!
I deleted the email yesterday, and maybe I am reading it incorrectly, but I understood that people write and then submit it for your approval so you may have more than one person writing – he mentioned submitting hundreds or thousands of articles and getting them back in one or two days?
I didn’t read it too closely because I think the whole concept is scummy – and he is riding on the backs of people in sweat shop conditions to make money. And being a “guru” doesn’t he already make thousands a week? So why does he have to stoop to these low levels.
I have a couple of his tools and they are really good so why does he have to stoop to something like this to make more money?? Plus I would imagine he would have some of his own profitable affiliate marketing sites!
I stumbled upon iwriter somehow, I think it was an ad on Craigslist for them. Anyways, as a freelance ghostwriter, I was appalled at what they pay their writers. They tell them that they can earn as much as they want. I don’t know about you, but even if you wrote 10 articles a day for them, you’d only be making $15 or so for THE DAY!! Sorry but I value my time way more than that! I don’t have the time for a place that is only going to pay $1.45 for my article, when I’m an English speaking writer that is good at her craft! That pisses me off! On top of it, you could spend all day to make that $15, only to have your work rejected!? That’s absurd! What’s to prevent someone from rejecting your article just because they don’t feel like paying you and for no other reason? Unbelievable!!
1) As a basic writer, you would need to write 15 articles to earn $15. If all 15 were rejected, then you are clearly in the wrong profession
2) There are thieves everywhere, something we have to live with. For any requester, the number of rejections and acceptances is shown so you can restrict your articles to genuine requesters
Well, this might get me in trouble, but I have used iWriter and this is how it works (the other side). You can put out a request for articles to only the best writers (who are rated by stars) and there is a higher minimum to pay but you can also offer a higher price for the article as well.
So, even if the minimum price is $5.00 for a 500 word article, you can put in your bid at $7 or $10. It gets picked up quickly and completed quickly with quality work. So, I understand your point but there is a way to pay more if you *want* to.
The part I don’t like is the rejection button, because if I don’t like the way an article is written, I would prefer to give the writer specific instructions about what to fix and let them redo it. I don’t like to reject it outright if it could be fixed.
Now that I have read this, (and I got the email yesterday as a client – I deleted) I am going to start putting the extra time into creating a job on elance and try to find a couple of good writers who I can maintain contact with and get quality work.
I tend to want to get things done quickly and Elance is a few extra steps.
I think iWriter is good for content that you need for things like blog networks where you need an article of 150 words and it doesn’t have to be perfect. It has to be good enough.
But I agree with your point about being an insult to the writers, and that shady marketers will find a way to exploit the system.
Mathea you and Jenn both seem to use it ethically but I’ll bet the majority don’t.
Hey Tiff,
So…
Looks like maybe the “GooRoo’s” screwed up and sent it out to the wrong folks?
Now, THAT’S a classic!
Hmmm…
Maybe they should pay their “hired help” a little more…
Nah…
Just keep payin’ ‘em “dirt cheap” wages…
and that’s the kind of results they’ll keep getting…
Eddie
UGH. I HATE this. I happen to like Brad’s Niche Finder software, but this is riDONKulous! Seriously $2 an article? I charge (and I get, in bulk no less) $25 per 500 words,with submission. No WAY would I go for iWriter either as a writer OR customer. Way to frickin’ devalue the loads of work us GOOD writers put in, not just writing but keeping our craft sharp.
What a…ahem…..ding-a-ling
Hi Tiffany, I’m obviously not one of the ‘chosen few’ because I haven’t received any marketing ‘bumf’ from this site yet. NO! NO! – don’t give him my e-mail addresssss!
I know that payment for written work on The Internet varies and that work such as PLR usually commands a lower rate per word, because its intended as a non-unique writer/user contract.
But don’t you think that writers in general – throughout history – have always been ‘exploited’ to a certain extent?
I seem to recall a quotation from Mark Twain, regarding the wisdom of writing short words where you can, as you are being paid the same 10 Cents per word – long or short.
A quick calculation at 10 Cents per word, gives us a figure of $100.00. per 1000 words – so looked at that way, PLR is breadline work, BUT as we know, it’s the ability to sell PLR over and over that makes that 10 Cents per word achievable.
Therefore, the idea of just $6.70. for 1000 words is – unless the work is PLR – taking the p*ss!
I shall avoid the man like the plague!
Kindest regards t] you as ever
George.
Hi Tiff,
I too received an email from Brad and foolishly thought I would give iWriter a try. Getting someone to write articles very cheaply appealed to me.
Your blog post has made me realize I was not even thinking from the poor writers perspective. I now will not be doing business with iWriter.
Thank you.
Ray
Ray there are people (like Jenn) who do it ethically, tipping good writers etc. But me personally , I don’t want to financially support a business like this.
Hi Tiff
Had you mailed me five minutes earlier you would have saved me $10.00.
Not your fault I did have second thoughts when I got Brad’s email and well I thought maybe have was using third world writers and christmas is coming so I gave it a try.
700 word article for ten bucks is not going to send me to the wall, and I do have the option to refuse the article if it is not up to my standard.
Merry Christmas to your and yours not fogetting Mom
Norman
That’s okay pricing for a newbie I suppose norman! But I’m griping about the $2-4 work
I actually learned about this site some time ago on the WF and thought it would be a good idea — until I found out about the pay rates! There was no way in the world I was going to waste my time with that mess!
The payment threshold is $20.00 (last time I checked), so you have to write a lot just go get a payment — hell no!
You know I had signed up to that site a while back. At first I thought it was a good way to make quick money. Then as I went through the site and saw the request for articles wanted and the pay offered it disgusted me.
There are other blogs that I visit about writing for pay and so yes Tiffany I believe that writers, especially good one’s CAN get paid well and should, and sites like iwriter are totally demeaning to fine writers of the English language that deserve better.
Now in the mean time the one really making money is the owner of the site obviously on less than suspicious victims. Really sucks.
Hi Tiffany,
I got that email too and I’m not signed up there. I was on another list of his and that message probably got blasted to all of his lists. I didn’t even read the whole thing and now I’m glad I didn’t.
People shouldn’t be working for sweatshop wages. Why have a home business if you are going to make less than you would going to work at a fast food joint? If you don’t think your writing is worth being paid fairly for then no one else will. They would make out better selling PLR for dirt cheap than doing that. At least they can sell their packs again and again.
That’s insulting that the marketer gets to reject the article after you write it and they read it. Hmmmm they can just plagiarize the content and put it out anyway and if it’s that cheap what are they expecting anyway?
This kind of stuff disgusts me! People who are working hard to make a living from home really have to watch out for these unscrupulous ones just waiting to pounce and take advantage of their naivety .
That person who had the nerve to let you transcribe them talking about taking advantage of you had issues. I would have given him a transcription he would never forget LOL. That was really stupid! But at least you found out and were able to kick him to the curb as a client.
MAN I wish I’d thought of that at the time. Something like right in the middle of it, transcribe something about what an asshole he is. Bet he wouldn’t have edited and released as is and that would have been hilarious!
I received the iWriter email, and it made me angry. I have a BS in journalism from a top school, and I graduated top of my class when I got my MBA. Add to that 20+ years as a professional writer. And iWriter wants me to work for $2-$4 per article? It’s insulting. They are devaluing the copywriting profession.
While buyers can delude themselves into thinking that they’re helping out some stay-at-home mom or budding journalist by giving them work, the pay when calculated by the hour, comes out to far less than minimum wage.
I’m sure Brad C. and his many customers would make the argument that noone is forcing writers like me to work for iWriter. However, it sure does make it harder for other writers to sell their services at a fair rate.
It’s like U.S. companies trying to sell their goods next to products manufactured in places where labor is dirt cheap. Eventually the American company goes out of business.
Is that what Brad hopes will happen to copywriters who demand fair rates for their work? I guess the answer is yes, just so long as he profits from the situation.
I received this email and I was shocked. I signed up for iwriter, but never wrote any articles once I saw what was going on.
It’s funny to read the feedback of the top writers. They’re terrible! I guess you can’t expect to get the cream of the crop for $2, but it sounds like these articles aren’t worth anything.
Anyone who would buy this low quality content is doing their website a great disservice.
Tiffany, I’m glad you brought this sordid and unethical situation out in the open.
I love your blog; I read it several times a week.
Oh, that so reminds me when I first started out. I had hoped that times had changed in writer areas like this, but I guess not.
One thing you said about shady marketers will steal the content anyway reminds me of all the times I was asked for ‘samples’ of my work. I actually wrote two or three of them and then realized they were being used.
After that, if a buyer asked for samples, I sent them links to where they could read articles I had written. Most never replied after that. LOL
I almost always agree with you, Tiffany, but I have to come down on the other side of this issue.
I am a writer who regularly receives $25 and up per page for my work and yet I have signed up both as a writer and a client for iWriter. I don’t plan on doing a whole lot of writing for those rates, to be sure. However, when I have a few minutes, it takes no time at all to whip out a quick 300 word or less piece.
As a filler side income, why not? I can choose to write what I want of the articles requested so it’s easy enough to take only what doesn’t require research.
And I’ve never understood the point of getting angry over what someone pays for writing. You make a choice – either work for that rate or go elsewhere. Why get angry?
I have yet to use it as a client but I fully intend to give it a try at some point. Perhaps because I viewed the email from the point of view as a marketer, I didn’t find it offensive. I don’t see anything wrong with trying to lower your costs as long as you aren’t cheating anyone or hurting anyone.
And for the record, customers with an excessive rejection rate for no good reason can be reported and they can be banned from the site. If they use the content anyway, the same remedies exist as if anyone else infringed upon your copyright. The copyright stays with the writer until the work is paid for.
Just my two contrary cents worth… lol! Still love ya and love reading your blog. You’re one of very few marketers that I actually go read the blog when you send me the link.
Tina
Hey Tina!
I don’t mind anyone disagreeing with me
Your picking up a few tasks in between $25 page gigs is not the same to me as someone being lured on there for work at home money trying to make ends meet at those rates.
I’m not angry at all – especially over what someone pays for writing – and even on Elance people have options.
What made me shake my head about this is the promo email on getting dirt cheap content and not paying for it if you don’t want to accept it. All seems to promote sweat shop type wages IMO.
See I DID view it from the viewpoint of a marketer who hires ghostwriters and that’s what I found heartbreaking. It’s teaching a mentality I wish didn’t exist – find dirt cheap content and don’t pay if you don’t want to take it.
I think it IS hurtful to freelancers.
As I said to Jenn, what’s to stop clients from opening up another free account w/a new email address when they get a big rejection rate?
Saying the same options exist for handling rip offs is true – HOWEVER, what bugged me is the promotion of that aspect as a PERK – it’s like encouraging rejection IMO. Elance has systems in place for escrow/mediation but they don’t actively promote a rejection element. lol
Tiff
Hi Tiffany!
You said, “As I said to Jenn, what’s to stop clients from opening up another free account w/a new email address when they get a big rejection rate?”
I would imagine that since both clients and writers pay or get paid via paypal that could be found out pretty easily. Unless one has multiple paypal accounts which most won’t.
Whether or not the site actually follows thru on this or not is unknown.
Interesting discussion, tho.
Thanks!
Rick Wilson aka CorpRebel
Like you I was appalled when I saw that email. Reminiscent of slave labor that was outlawed decades ago. I would urge your list to send this post viral and shame the promoter of that site together with the rogue marketers who take advantage of it. Unfortunately the IM niche is saturated with unsavory characters.
Yeah! What she said!
Hey Tiff,
I did get that note from Brad yesterday. I had checked out the site when it first went live – signed up, got inside and saw the rates being offered, left and promptly unsubscribed from the associated list.
A couple of days ago (long enough for my old brain to have lost the previous experience in a fog) I was in a position where a couple of quick bucks would have come in handy, so I searched my way back to iwriter, signed up, got inside, saw the rates being offered and the rejection rates, and quickly left in disgust again.
Now I might well have spent a few minutes knocking out a couple of articles for $5, but what really got my goat was the idea of having to produce ONLY twenty-some articles at $2.53 in order to prove myself.
As I told a friend of mine, I’ll sell my body first. And that wouldn’t be a big money maker these days either…
Dan
Looks like I won’t be getting that proof-reading job (misspelled my name on the post above).
I wanted to ad that in coming from the world of contracting you realize that the way some marketers treat their providers had little to do with right or wrong, or about whether they have enough money or not.
It’s about winning and losing; about maximizing profit, even if there is plenty to go around. It’s a badge of honor to these guys every time they can beat a penny out of some poor sucker.
That’s why they brag about screwing the other guy. It’s not about ethics at all. They might as well be politicians;-)
Dan
But you’ll be a whole $50 richer after those 20 articles! (And I fixed your typo on your name lol)
I’m on one of Brad’s list, so I did get the email.
I’ve both ghostwritten for other people and used ghostwriters myself (sometimes both in short succession of each other), so I’ve got a good idea what fair rates are.
As a writer, the lowest I’ve ever charged is $12 for a 400 word article, and that’s for a minimum order of 10 articles, and on subjects that don’t require me to do that much preparation. Sure, there are methods I use to get paid that much, but the important thing is that the hourly rate makes it worthwhile for me to do that work. For longer documents, or for sales copy, I charge much more per word.
I won’t disclose how much I pay ghostwriters, but it’s proportional to what it’s being used for and the quality. It is a price that makes it worthwhile hiring someone, rather than writing myself, but definitely nothing that would make me feel like I was ripping someone off.
The odd times I’ve paid less (and this is generally for foreign writers) I’ve felt unhappy with the content, even when it’s just for SEO purposes. I would rather pay slightly more to a native writer and build a long-term relationship with them, as I do think quality is important, as is making sure writers get paid what they deserve.
Thom
Tiffany, I agree with you completely. Anyone that signs up over there will end up either getting jaded and leaving or over-worked trying to make ends meet.
I’ve been writing professionally for 35 years, but online for only about 7. When I fist started online, I actually did some $2 articles, because I was unknown, and felt I needed to get my work in front of more people.
Before long, I was doing articles for $10, then $15, then $35. Now, I charge a LOT more than that for a short article or blog post. But I would never hire writers for $2 or $5 dollars. Never mind the quality… it’s just degrading, IMO.
Good for you for sticking by your guns!
The words “sweat shop” come to mind – (not sure if anybody’s said that yet). How insulting! The people who run that site should be ashamed!
I was a medical transcriptionist and was laid off because the office I worked for decided to go with cheap overseas labor. Quality now comes in second or third to the almighty dollar!
I found the Warrior Forum thread where Brad advertised his content mill to the writers of the forum. I commented in it today about his email list error. He admitted that it was a mistake to send the email to his writers, and he basically went on to say that his ignorance still produced a lot of new business so it will benefit his writers in the long run. No ethics there.
Just a few words that randomly spring to mind…..
peanuts, monkeys, auto submission spam, robot content, backlink only, Panda, content farm, cr*p, de-indexed sites, black hat, cheating, sweat shop, cash cow…….
I am sure there are more, but you get the idea
Rach
Granny used to say if you lay down with dogs, you get fleas.
>>I don’t see anything wrong with trying to lower your costs as long as you aren’t cheating anyone or hurting anyone. <<
This whole subject is one near and dear to my heart — or, whatever is the reverse of that. Ah, hot button trigger, that's it.
Sorry, but rant mode is ON.
This country has been shipping its jobs overseas for at least 2 decades and that's a very large part of what's wrong with the economy right now.
Furthermore, the statistics on unemployment, poverty, and actual HUNGER in THIS country, the supposedly most prosperous and greatest nation on Earth, are appalling and mind-boggling. ONE in SEVEN Americans, 4 of them children, suffer "food insecurity" issues (aka: hunger).
And yet there are marketers out there who refuse to even consider paying a decent wage for outsourced help, and worst of all (to me), send their money to the Philippines, Bangladesh, India, etc. because they can have more profits thereby.
I'm all for hefty profits, believe me, I am. But it hurts me to the core to see people I would otherwise like to be friends with and/or emulate (aka: internet marketers) help erode the middle class in this country by shipping their money overseas.
I'm even not that much against the globalization of our work and wages, etc., except that it should've been the rest of the world more closely matching OUR wages, rather than ours being gutted to Third World rates.
I had the occasion recently to look for VA sort of person, and I gladly paid twice or maybe even more what I could have to give the job to someone in the U.S.
People need to ask themselves what THEY would like to be paid were they doing this work. AND, how they'd feel about work outsourced overseas if they were the ones hungry this week. Forcing the hardest hit of our own people — fellow Americans — to work for basically slave wages is cruel and, IMO, anti-American.
/Rant mode.
Thanks for the heads up, Tiffany! iwriter and “Brad Callen” are now on my blacklist along with the other sleazy marketers.
Tiffany,
I, too, received the email about iWriter. I checked it out when it firt came out, and decided that the pay was too low to consider. If I won’t wait tables or sell cosmetics for pennies, it would be foolish to write for pennies. There is absolutely nothing wrong with either job, but there comes a time in ones life when the pay is low enough to be an insult.
Thanks for standing up and getting this information out there. Wanting more for the sake of more when more is not needed is a bit greedy, in my book. Yes, I want to make more than I do, but it is to pay off student loans and take care of my family.
Keep it up!
Outside of PLR content I’ve never paid anyone for writing so far. I’ve never done writing for hire either.
I have done some writing for my own use. It’s damn hard work! It takes
me a long time and makes my brain hurt.
If I wrote as much as I SHOULD write, I’m sure I’d get much faster at it, but I know I’d lose weight working for iWriter, because for what they pay it would take me two days to earn enough for a meal.
Article Idea for the Weight Loss Market: How to shed 25 pounds in only one week by writing for iWriter.
I would never feel right about paying someone that amount for their work.
I won’t be a customer.
I have work done at I writer all the time. I offer a few bucks over the Min and usually have articles back in a few hours.
People Jump on the work.
You make IWriter seam as if it were a cyber sweet shop.
Are you sure these people are not in areas of the world where $5 bucks an hour is an excellent wage?
Some are, some aren’t.
Out sourceing oversees vs protecting jobs at home is a whole different subject.
You brought that up – wasn’t anywhere in my original post.
I feel like I have angered you it was not my intent.
I was just wondering if all the people registered with I writer feel miss treated. I imagine there is some writers in places like the Phillippines and India who feel like they are doing very well.
In a way it’s good that the internet has allowed people in poorer countries to work online and support their families.
In a way it is sad that Americans (From my point of view) are losing work.
Tiffany I didn’t mean any disrespect to you.
No I’m not angry JC
I was just in a hurry – juggling kid stuff this week with midterms, etc 
Sorry if it came across as short.
But to answer your question, I’m sure a lot of them ARE blessed with the wages. And if $2-4 is good for someone, and they want to accept that I’m fine with that – they’re adults and they can do what they want.
But my ONLY gripe about this whole situation is NOT the site itself – if that were the case, I would have made this post the second Brad asked me to promote it. What I felt was in poor taste was his oopsy email to his list (including his writers), playing up the dirt cheap writing and rejection element as perks.
IMO he’s not promoting the right mindset and for a name as big as his, I feel that’s a shame.
Agreed; about the poor taste in the email, I mean. I guess I didn’t really pick up on that in your post, I am not to bright sometimes.
Love your blog and yours is one of the few lists that I am on.
Thanks JC!
Good grief Tiff, I received the very email too and had a brief look at the site. Warning bells did sound off when I saw the amount they pay freelancers and yes, the part about rejecting articles and not paying if they don’t like it did put me off.
I was scratching my head and was wondering how professional freelancers actually would want to work there? It seems I have to unsubscribe from Brad Callen’s list – what a waste of good marketing and site’s potential.
I received the email from Brad Callen because I signed up when the site was in “beta” phase. I had no intention of writing or buying from sites at the time. Let me explain.
Ten years ago, I started freelancing and was doing a lot of “bid-fer” work. I did win a few gigs that paid well, but not consistently. Now, I break out in hives if anyone says they work at bidding for work. You don’t get paid to bid. I consider it degrading and (frankly) worthless.
When I began mentoring new writers, I told them how biased I was against bidding sites. Then, I began to make a list for myself of websites looking for writers who did not have to bid for work. Three years ago, there were a dozen sites on that list. Today, the list is nine pages long and I sell it to writers for $7 with free updates periodically.
Initially, iWriter was on that list. It is no longer there. It had been on my personal list that I was building into the current report. I read Brad’s email. I saw RED as I read. Don’t know what possessed me, but my cursor jumped to the REPLY button and I was off to the races. I told him he was a sleeze-bag and the tone of his email was quite degrading.
My email ended with: Only elephants perform for peanuts. I’m not an elephant and I have a peanut allergy.
I waited until the email finished sending and I then UNSUBSCRIBED from his list and the site. iWriter somehow fell off my list – forever. No student writer of mine is going to start a career with frustration. In order to develop and expand, the student needs to experience some successes.
Strange. Brad never answered my email. Oh well. He probably couldn’t hire a ghostwriter who would work for peanuts.
Julie, I’d love to purchase the list you mention. I’m not sure if it’s okay to put my email in here or if Tiff will edit it out, but I’ll try: tinag4266@gmail.com. If it’s not there, support@ the site my name should be linked to will work. I loathe bidding sites!
Hey Tiff,
I too, got that email. I’d been getting emails from him, and he was one of the many gurus I ditched in August. So this made me go back and take a look. I clicked the unsub link, and lo and behold, this is the only group of his I’m signed up under: iwriter_writers
So he sent it to his own writers email list. Not good.
I signed up for iWriter a couple weeks ago, at the suggestion of a client off Fiverr, who mentioned that you can get paid up to $10 an article. Before I signed up, there was an entire list of articles available, that were looking for writers.
Once I logged in, that list shrunk greatly. Turns out, and this is suggested in the FAQ, that you can request only rated writers of certain levels view your requests. While that ensures the buyers get higher quality, it means starting out you’re going to be writing on crap topics. So I didn’t log in for a while.
Honestly, 300 words is nothing to write, and I can do it in a few minutes, even on a topic I know nothing about, like gutters. My problem is that I’ll be seeing $1.62 for 300 words, and a number of the folks requesting articles have an approval rate of below 70%. I don’t really want to waste my time doing that.
Heck, I can write 1 400 words article on Fiverr and see $4. That’s at least a penny per word. Still not great, but better than half a penny, or less.
Hi Tiffany,
I got this email through an affiliate of Brad Cullen’s, somebody I really liked but will now eye very suspiciously.
I just thought you have to be kidding scumbag and couldn’t hit the delete button fast enough, and anymore of these offers come through the affiliate will go on the delete list as well.
Greed is an almighty master don’t you think?
For some it sure is
Wow. I saw the posts about this on WAHM. That was just terrible. I wonder though with the high rejection rates, how does the site generate any money? This seems like its a site where they’re giving content away for free under the guise of payment, although very low.
One problem I have is that some clients complained that if you didn’t get to it in 48 hours, then the work auto approved and the writer automatically got 5 stars – so top rated writers aren’t really earning that on merit.
That email was addressed to BUYERS, not writers. He’s been promoting it that way ever since it first opened.
Yes it was addressed there but he admittedly emailed his WRITERS too. Accidentally I’m guessing.
You love the WF so much but many of your posts are about your bad experiences there. You write about being ethical and so forth yet you are all over that pathetic forum.
I think you should be honest with yourself and realize that the WF is a bad place to be involved with. Yes, I know you are going to say that there are ethical marketers there too but overall, the WF is NOT A GOOD PLACE if for any marketer who wants to be on the up and up. Have the guts to break away from it and I think you will in the end be glad you did.
Huh? This isn’t about WF – it’s about iWriter. And any place has good and bad – I’m not an idiot. I know how to weed out the right people from the wrong
I’ve gained far more value from WF than had bad things happen to me there. It doesn’t take guts – it takes common sense on knowing how to read bullshit – and I do.
I learned a while back that you can’t get quality cheap!
Quality writers need quality customers. But cheap writing is a commodity and there is no loyalty with the customer base. Everyday is a competition. Everyday is starting over again.
If I want filler content for my blogs, I might consider buying from a cheap source, but I would not feel comfortable buying it to resell with my name on it unless I expect to make lots of edits.
When I outsourced to cheap sources, I discovered that I could more easily write from scratch than edit the work to my satisfaction. Quality PLR is less expensive and easier to convert than cheap ghost-writing.
I learned from other writers that when they started off with cheap prices and raised the price, they lost their customer base and had to build their business from scratch again. The only reason to start cheap is to get positive reviews and then to quickly work your price up so you can build your business with quality customers.
You DON”T get what you pay for..,. unless you pay for quality! and quality is always cheaper in the lon-run!
Hi Tiff,
I see what you mean, but I liked Jenn’s comment above.
You mention tips probably being rare. I don’t know. I’ve written 34 articles for iWriter so far, and I got 9 tips.
The prices are good, once you become a top or elite writer.
And I like that you can see the request, and then choose one to write about. You don’t have to compete with others, who offer lower prices.
Whenever I get a special request from Elance and the other places, it’s always something like: We need 30 articles written for tomorrow, 1,000 words each. Only native English writers with perfect grammar and spelling, and we’ll pay you $2 per article.
Yeah, right!
At iWriter, I can at least choose whether or not I want to write for the price they offer.
Right now, there are 500 word articles for $8.10 (the writer’s gain). There’s even a 150 for $4.05.
I think the site is good to use as “filler”. If you have spare time, you can just as well write there and make some money, rather than watch TV or something like that.
Personally, I don’t want to make it my main income, because you will always just exchange your time for money, there. But it’s nice for some extra income
You could choose whether to accept the Elance job too though right? Or did they change things?
Regardless as I said – if people want to use the site, that’s fine too. I have a problem with his “dirt cheap” attitude and I’m happy it got sent to the writers too.
I have read your post and all your many comments. It has been very enlightening for me.
I recently signed up for iwriter (as a requester of articles) and I got the email from Brad.
I will have to ponder how – and if – to use iwriter now based on all the input here.
Thanks I would never have had considered all the issues brought up so far here.
About not being able to copy and paste and article until it’s paid for:
Like Tiffany said, a screenshot is all you need to copy it. THEN all they’d have to do is run it thru an OCR program, and voila, there’s their article, free as a bird, little or no hand-typing required. Put it on their site or blog before anyone else, and google will give that posting priority in their serps. Brad could then put paid ads on his “get a free article” website. WIN for everybody, except the poor, pitiful writer. All they get is laughed at and insulted by his marketing.
Someone should make a FREE account there and ask for articles about why Iwriter is great for people who like to write for free.
Hi, Tiffany and everybody
I went thru all of your posts and I just wanted to share my personal experience as a writer with iWriter.
When I first looked at the prices paid, I almost logged out myself but decided to look around a bit and found out that after 30 articles with an average of 4 stars, you will get promoted to premium writer and make more. So I gave it a shot and after a few days became a premium writer. Started getting $4 and even $8 500 word articles, which I think is not great but decent. Wrote for people with a rejection rate of 50% and still got my articles approved and got paid.
My rejection rate is low, 3 out of 88 written and they were rejected when I first started and maybe didn’t perform quite as well as I should have. Brad told me that I need a 4.6 star rating to become an elite writer and get paid more. Well, I’m at 4.55 star and got tipped several times.
So, overall my experience with iWriter is positive but now, since Dec 9th, I can’t even access iWriter.com. I keep getting messages that there are too many redirects.
Is iWriter going away ?
I got that email, but in my case it was from being on another list – I started to examine Brad Callen’s SEO LinkVine last year, didn’t have time to complete my testing, but have been on a list of his ever since.
I wondered how it worked for writers – and the only way to get inside and see the inner workings is to sign up to be a writer, so I used a throw away email address to do that, and spent some time poking around inside. I figured at the time that no matter what I found inside, it would make good blog fodder.
I was tempted to try taking on a few short assignments so I’d have true experience to document, but the only assignments that interested me were either already taken or didn’t pay enough to be worth my time.
I think it’s hilarious, though, that the pitch went out to the writers. Karma being a bitch, you know. Gotta wonder how many writers unsubscribed because of that mega OOOPSIE … but I doubt we’ll ever have the satisfaction of knowing.
Great interaction here – once again I’m entertained and enlightened by reading all the responses in addition to the original post.
After 30 articles you can increase status to an ‘elite’ writer which pays 3-4x or more per article. I have written 500 word articles and earned over $10. The normal rate for 500 word articles is just over $6. Obviously there are many freelance writers who charge much more then this.
Tiff
I have mixed feelings about this subject, being both a write and IM. I have used Iwriter and the articles were UNUSABLE. I did not see where I could refuse them, but the quality was worse than spun, so I have not gone back, I would not expect it to get better because of the low prices. Only foreign writers can afford to write for that little money which mostly leads to poor quality.
It is hard to juggle needing cheap services and getting better quality. Trying to use US folks has it’s challenges too. I spend a lot of time trying to get SEO and written things outsourced and it is a nightmare. I wanted iwriter to be a good source but alas it is just another writers “sweat shop”
This review ignores some major points available on iWriter. I write for iWriter. For my first 30 posts I made peanuts. Now that I have built up a near 5 star rating I make between $25-$45 per hour writing ‘elite’ level articles. This number is consistent as I track my time (as all freelance writers should!).
I have also used iWriter to write articles I do not want to write myself. When I pay for basic level articles they are total garbage – but when I have paid for elite level articles I have been very pleased.
I am not a great writer, but I can write at a conversational level that seems to be a hit with my clients.
Higher level writing and content is available (as well as higher pay) for anyone who earns status as an elite writer or who is willing to pay for an ‘elite’ level article.
Of course, there are people who will abuse the system, but out of nearly 70 articles written I have only had 2 unfairly rejected. This puts my average per hour earnings well above $25 even with the rejections.
Many of these details are left out of your review, which makes it a little unfair IMO.
Jonathan not really because the focal point of the blog post wasn’t the rates – t was the email he sent out listing the two perks as dirt cheap writing and rejection.
Go to Amazon Turk, search Brad Cullen & IWriter … Then rework his scam…
Sadly he will most likely profit..from this
Tiffany,
You are ducking and weaving with your answers now and the construction of your post would seem to be a thinly disguised promotion for Iwriter, since it’s prominent in the title.
Your point of view all through this discussion has been how you pay your writers really well and if they take your ghost-writing course they will earn good money.
You really should clear up the half truths and innuendo and assumptions and head on over to Iwriter and create a client account.
When you have done that you will find that you have the option of determining exactly what you want to pay writers for every different article type.
Further, you can choose which writers see your projects and set appropriate timings.
So your criticism of what writers can earn is no longer valid – you are the generous one, you are the one who boasts about tipping, so get over there and let’s see your style! How much they earn is totally in the hands of the person asking for the articles to be written.
In one reply to a comment here, you mentioned that your objection was to the email about having articles written cheaply. Don’t you think that a marketer starting off would love to see that? Your assumption about the quality available is all wrong!
Following along from that, the quality control on the Iwriter system works perfectly.
It also works instantly and as I writer over there I know that it makes you concentrate on getting things right. Its some of the best writing training you can get.
Talk about hypocrisy!! I recollect seeing somewhere on here about quality content. Go back and do your homework, rewrite your post to give us some quality content about Iwriter, not some emotional claptrap which relies on profanity and selective omission to get attention.
To those who joined in and slapped Tiffany on the back – shame! Do some checking before you jump on the bandwagon. This post of Tiffanies’ is full of innuendo, half truths and inaccuracies.
To those who stood up for Iwriter, good on you for speaking out.
Do you know the most interesting part? If I had ordered an article about Iwriter from Iwriter and Ms.Dow had written the same post for me, I would have rejected it because of poor quality grammar and blatant inaccuracies!
Maybe you should consider running your posts through Iwriter before you get all “holier than thou” and just maybe you don’t know as much about Iwriter as you would have us all believe!
So, before you reply to this post, get yourself a Client account and post some articles at a premium price and let us know the quality you receive!
Judith,
I think everyone knows I do anything BUT duck and weave with my posts. I’m very blunt about what I believe and I don’t give a rat’s ass if you agree with me.
To start off saying my post is a thinly disguised promotion for iWriter and then bash me for my negative opinions about his promotion of the site makes no sense. Which am I, Judith? A seedy “thinly disguised promoter” of the site, or someone negative?
Can’t have it both ways – you’re just posting to gripe, period.
What the hell did you want me to do with the title, put “A site that shall not be named?” And there’s no affiliate link in there for it. You make no sense.
My “point of view” in the post is why I think it’s shitty of Brad to emphasize “dirt cheap” content and the ability to reject on a whim. I said it before and I’ll say it again – the site and fees aren’t as much the problem.
If it WERE the issue, I would have written about it when he FIRST asked me to promote it. I figured if people want to work for those wages, that’s THEIR problem, not mine. But I wasn’t going to speak out of both sides of my mouth and promote a “dirt cheap content mill” alongside MY course which emphasizes freelancers getting paid more than a fair wage.
Now THAT would be a bit hypocritical, wouldn’t it?
And why the hell would I create an account and use the site and hire writers when I DISAGREE WITH IT? You think I should:
a.) Put money in Brad’s pocket when he obviously isn’t looking out for the writers in my opinion, and
b.) Hire ghostwriters from the site where they don’t make as much – when I can hire people direct and pay them more, without having to get a cut taken from it – AND tip them when I can?
What good would that do?
I know how the site works. Already looked into it. Already heard from others. I don’t have a problem with people who get paid fair wages on the site. BUT THAT’S NOT HOW HE’S PROMOTING IT.
HELLO??? MCFLY???
He’s promoting it as “Dirt Cheap” and “…As Low As $2 An Article.” A place where REJECTION is a PERK!
Nowhere do I see him emphasize in his email that you should pay fair wages and tip good writers. Or did I miss that one?
I stated this would be a good place for foreign writers who find $2 an article to be a good living wage. Has nothing to do with quality – I’m sure some good, misguided writers are there – unfortunately, for them! They could be making much more.
I’ll be as holier than thou as I want on my blog, Judith. I’m more than entitled to my opinion and I sure as hell don’t bow down to people like you who don’t get the point that was being made – the email and its promotion of the site, rather than quality and prices in general.
I’ll say it again – IF that had been the problem, I would have written about it sooner.
Now go sign into iWriter and grab you one of those $2 jobs. Don’t spend it all in one place, though!
Tiff
Goodness! This thread is getting lively.
For what it’s worth, here is my experience with iwriter.
I joined a couple of months ago and promptly wrote a dozen articles. They ranged from 150 to 500 words and earned me the grand sum of $26 and change. Included in this were two tips of a dollar and two dollars.
As I knew little about the site or the owners, and being the cautious type, I decided to leave it there and wait to see if I got paid as promised. I did.
For my 12 articles I got 10 reviews; nine 5 star and one 3 star – no reason offered for the one low rating. The two missing reviews were for articles which were automatically approved.
Eh?
Once you have written an article, the buyer has 3 days to approve it (or reject it). If they can’t be bothered, then it is automatically approved, the buyer’s account is charged and the writer gets paid.
You don’t get two writers competing for the same article at the same time, as once you say you will write it, the request is removed. You then have a set time to write and submit – from 1.5 hours for 150 words to 4 hours for 700 words.
It seems to work fairly well. I can choose not to write for buyers with high rejection rates, or to write again for unfair rejectors.
The rates, of course, are lousy. Especially for those first 30 articles, before you get to see the higher paying ones.
But, I have gone in with my eyes wide open and see it as a way in and a portfolio builder. I don’t expect it to earn me a living.
Oddly, I didn’t get the offending email. If I had, then I would have been pretty upset too. I fully understand the ire expressed in this thread. But there is also a fair chunk of misunderstanding and conclusion jumping.
I guess my view is that we should all take a big breath, stand back and look at it for what it is.
If you are a buyer of words, any quality you find is likely to be short lived.
If you are a writer looking to make a living, this is at best a start. Don’t get stuck with it, do other stuff too.
Let’s not fall out over this. Life’s too short.
Happy New Year!
Chris.
I write for iWriter and I love it. I was on the front page for a while as one of the highest ranked writers, but I got booted off. I know why: it’s because I got down and dirty and really started cranking them out.
Now I’m back to my normal article writing pace and I’m happy with it. iWriter and Textbroker are how I’m making a living right now.
I don’t care what Brad wrote in his email because I just…I have moved past being concerned about little stuff like that. I know it matters to a lot of people, and the truth is it used to matter to me. It’s tied up with the whole ego thing and how I see myself and how I want others to see me and I need the respect of others to feel good about myself.
85% of the world functions at that level. It’s one of the levels of consciousness.
Oh well, it is what it is. I have to go back to writing now.
Now why would cranking them out boot you off front page? If you’re good with it, that’s great for you! Enjoy!
Tiffany,
I don’t have a dog in this fight. And the truth is it’s been going on since Al Gore invented the Internet.
It’s always this one little segment of the Internet writer population getting all up in a tizzy because someone disrespected them in an email or someone else didn’t pay them 50 bucks for a 400 word piece on how to thaw frozen pipes. Whatever. It doesn’t matter.
You don’t like the rates? Go somewhere else.
But let’s be entirely honest here. I don’t know how long you have been hanging out on the Internet. Personally, I’ve been here since Sonny got the white Testarossa in season two. Anywhos, this isn’t rocket science. These writing gigs?
It’s not the New York Times. It’s not even the Springfield Republican. It’s eHow and Demand Studios and Textbroker and Wisegeek and Writer Access and yes, it is even iWriter. What it is is content.
It’s content, people! Web content. You’re not writing for the New England Journal of Medicine. You can write what you want when you want and you can look down your stuffy nose at all the peons who aren’t writing for the same gigs you are because, well, ahem, You. Are. Special.
And the Internet should know that and pay you accordingly.
But it probably won’t. You know why?
Because this is real life and people want to spend as little as they possibly can and get as much as they possibly can for what they spent. Get it?
It’s just such an old story and it will not change and I wonder why people fight it so hard, they must be making money, because if not they are just wasting their time.
You want to be a respected writer? You know where to go. You know who you have to write for and what you have to write. It’s simple, we all know it, and if not just ask the big G.
You want to make some quick bucks while you are working on your novel or your underground chicken feeding system or your post-Apocalypse clothing line? Then go write some web content!
Jay I don’t disagree with anything you said! I said before I never wrote about it because of the rates. I DO understand why the people emailed me all pissed off about his email regarding dirt cheap content. I’m not a writer there so it’s not my dog in the fight either. I was just taking sides. I have no problem doing that. But yes, I teach better rate finding and building – and it’s why I advise steering clear of iWriter.
Hi Tiffany,
I am a user of iwriter, as an internet marketer looking to source good content. I do not have an opinion on iwriter from a freelancer perspective, but from a publisher point of view I have been very happy thus far with the service.
I would say the majority of articles I have received at the cheapest rate is quite good. Sometimes I will get a native english writer pumping out multiple articles. Finding good content at a cheap rate is hard. iwriter provides this.
If I have a writer writing a few articles at high quality on the cheapest rate, I leave a tip which is asked of me after every transaction. I dont use any other outsourcing for my content any more.
I have seen many positive changes to the portal since I first discovered it. writers are now even more categorised based on feedback, with now 3 pay scales based on writers rankings. when i have an important article I will only use top writers.
It would be great to see a resource page of where you would source high quality content from your perspective.
cheers.
Glad it’s working well for you! I use Elance due to familiarity but there have been a few other places I’ve found writers. I pretty much keep the same ones now though.
Hey Tiffany,
After you wrote this blog post, I went over and did some investigation from inside. After writing close to 40 articles, I have to say you were (sorry for the pun) RIGHT ON THE MONEY with your assessment of iWriter.
Now my husband’s experience turns out to be a bit different, in that he discovered a pocket of articles that he could crank out with no research. He’s been averaging about $100 a week so far and is enjoying the heck out of the experience. That said, he’s 68, retired, and had no idea he could write. Now that he’s seen (literally, ’cause the guy gave him the url his articles have been going up on) how easy it is to put up a 5 or 10 page site to promote a product, I am hoping I can persuade him to write for me instead of them.
Anyway, just popping back to tell you I’ve linked to this article in my blog post and I agree with your assessment. Ciao for now!
Good deal Janelle! Glad you got your hubby on the writing train
Hi everybody
Reading all the facts on iwriter and else,its very interesting to me to discuss here.I am new writer writing for some sites but i want to earn money from it.Its not only my hobby to write and entertain others but also i want to earn something from it.
I would like to know from you people ,which is the site that if offering good rate for 500 or 700 word article.I am using some sites but these needs biding process.
I found iwriter ,which gives result in max.3 days ,Is there any other such sites which are paying more than that and transperent in all things?
I am waiting for a positive reply from you people.
thanks
I prefer the bidding process because to me, it shows the marketer cares about who he’s hiring and what their talent/qualifications are like. If anyone can pick up a project on iwriter, and can reject you, that sucks IMO. But if you need a different platform, go for it if it interests you. I like Janelle’s review about iwriter here: http://onlineincomehonestly.blogspot.com/2012/01/iwriter-magic-money-machine-or.html
Tiffany you have some interesting information here. I am on Iwriter but have not written anything yet, but it seems to me that were a highly literate person to crank out volumes of articles, then that person could make some reasonable amount of money. Of course the rejection rate is very high and that is one thing that I am looking at.
I am extremely literate and need to make some money fast. This writing stuff would make an excellent venue for me if there is good pay in the field.
You email me with your suggestions of good writing sites if you like. It only took a few minutes for me to write this, two finger typing and all.
Hi All,
I’ve read all this with interest.
I am a writer on iWriter.
I signed up in September of 2011 at the basic level, earning not very much at all, but, having worked my way up, can now earn anything between $8.00 and $20.00 for a 500 word article.
I write on a regular basis for two iWriter clients, both of whom pay me in excess of $17.00 per article – some for 500 words and some for 1000 words.
That might not seem like a lot to many of you, but it suits me fine. Spending a few hours a week writing (I also have a regular job) can earn me an extra $300 – $400 every month.
Yes, I was pissed off for about two seconds when I received that email from Brad – but I got over it.
Nobody is forced to write on iWriter – everyone has a choice.
Just my opinion.
Deb
Hi tiffany you make a nice point. i joined iwriter as a writer and was surprised to see how it is not the best for a writer starting put due to lesser pay and also the fact that it is being advertised all across the site. However, every product has a good and bad side to it. So, what i am doing currently is writing simple articles without a whole lot of instructions to make my up towards becoming a high rated writer. you were a writer before so you would understand it hardly takes much time to write a simple article. Although, i would certainly be happy if the rates were high from the start itself.
yes it’ll be difficult for him to ever raise them and all the work to get to higher status isn’t worth it to me. But to each his own!
iwriter is a scam. Writers should thoroughly check them before registering for their services. Apart from not protecting the interests of writers; they scam writers as well. I had ugly experience with them. They blocked my account after I have reached the $20 payout. I do not think anything good will come from them. Writers beware.
I do know about the ban issue because I’d asked about that – here’s what I found out that may help you get your account reinstated or get the payout. You might still be okay:
Brad told me that people only get accounts blocked for two reasons BUT there’s a remedy afterwards Here are the two situations according to Brad:
- their rating dipped below 3.0 after 5 reviews (our system removes poorly skilled writers automatically. Below a 3 is not good at all)
- they had 3 copyscape infractions, meaning Copyscape claimed they had duplicate content 3 times. After that, we block their account.
But then Brad told me, “If someone that was blocked submits a ticket, we (usually me) always manually reviews their account to give them the benefit of the doubt.”
I don’t think he’d block an account to get $20 since he stands to make more money off you if you stay, so it might pay to contact them with a ticket and see what’s up if you feel it was unfair.
Tiff
I got the email awhile back from Brad. Took a look at the site and said “hell no.” I’m not from some third-world country with American English as a Second Language so don’t go trying to pay me like that.
So my take on that site is thanks but no thanks. Truth be told, a person can make more writing on Fiverr…even though it takes forever to get your funds.
But the thing about Fiverr is that you can build up a helluva client list for outside of Fiverr.
I’ll bet you can do well on Fiverr Philip. How long do they take for fund releasing?
14 days AFTER the order is deemed completed. Too long. It takes 3 days to clear if the buyer does not leave feedback but you have delivered. If they do leave feedback then the 14-day ticker begins.
One of the keys is to wait until you have $100 or more in funds to withdraw. I’ve heard and seen people yip about Paypal fees and whatnot, but to be honest I have withdrawn in excess of $100 many times and…lo and behold, there has only been a grand total of (drum roll please) 1 dollar taken out. So, I withdraw $100 and $99 winds up in my Paypal account.
That is not bad. You wait too long but you don’t get clipped. People need to just stop withdrawing every time their $4 cuts expire. Just be patient and take out a chunk at a time and only give up $1 in the process.
And one last important note. Awhile back Fiverr was very tilted and even a little biased toward the buyer. But lately they are leveling the field more and more. Each issue I have had with admin has been dealt with to my satisfaction. Their support, especially toward the seller is really improving.
Typo up above, I meant when their $4 cuts clear, not expire…don’t know what I was thinking. Oh well, I’m 55, I have an excuse. LMAO.
Hi there Tiffany,
I just recently discovered your blog and have been reading through some of your older posts. I would like to first say that you have an amazing wealth of information shared here! I appreciate your tips and look to your advice for guidance in expanding my own freelance writing business.
I was particularly interested in this post for a couple of reasons. Are you at all familiar with Zerys.com? If you’re looking for an ethical content writing platform, it’s the best I’ve found so far.
Unlike iWriter, Zerys uses an escrow system like you had mentioned. It also automatically checks all submitted writing using Copyscape, which it sounds as if Brad’s site has started doing now as well. That’s good, a step in the right direction!
Anyhow, Zerys is truly a great place for freelance writers, independent marketers and agencies and website owners who need content. I’ve made decent money as a writer for InteractMedia (the writer part of the site).
I hadn’t heard of it but will check it out – thanks
Hi Tiffany,
I recently joined iwriter and feel about the same as you do with the rates. I am not at all satisfied, however, I have written for them only within the past two weeks. I needed the extra income because I lowered my part time job offline to weekends only. Though the extra bucks came in handy, I def do not see myself typing away to make less than what I can make just by going back to work. I plan to build my online income to a better rate that helps me move along with my finances and get out of debt, but I would not recommend anyone going to iwriter to do it. I definitely do not see anything wrong with the site being online and marketing itself, but yes, he should be careful how he speaks out to potential writers and clients.
Does anybody know how secure iWriter is? I signed up because I need to practice writing and don’t feel I have the confidence or the experience to get better gigs yet.
So I was filling out my information in the update profile page and noticed there wasn’t a secure logo or anything. Could just be my version of Firefox but I also went to Tools and Page Info and clicked the security tab and noticed there was no encryption on the page.
I did email customer support and all they said was “the site is secure, we’ve had no problems.” After hearing that Zappos.com got hacked, it’s hard to trust that. Anyone know how secure it is?
Hello Tiffany,
I went through your blog post and also through the long list of comments, most of them thrashing Brad Callen and the iWriter site. There are a few points to which I agree and a few to which I don’t. Of course, this post was written a long time back and iWriter has matured since that time. I signed up to iWriter in December. I am a software developer by profession but I took to iWriter only because I love writing poems and short articles.
I had never before worked as a content writer but I got a chance to try that out at iWriter. Initially, you are paid peanuts, at least till the time you get an Elite status. I was a little smart. I got over 20 ratings of the first 30 ratings writing 150-300 word articles. Saved me a lot of effort. However, there are people who will reject your article for silly reasons or others who just want articles written for free. My English might not be the best in the class but it definitely isn’t bad. I had articles rejected with a one star and the comment said “Bad English”. I just laughed. Oh, what’s more funny is that some requesters who reject the articles with a 1 star have poor written English skills that are clearly reflected in their comments. But over 85% of the requesters play fair and square.
I do feel that the rejections can be annoying especially if your articles are rejected and then used by the requesters or if they are rejected because the instructions weren’t clearly followed – though there were hardly any instructions to start with in the first place. I personally try to writer for requesters with over 70% approval rates and I check the comments on their profile. Most fellow iWriters will leave a feedback for rejected articles as well and you can check if the requestor rejects articles for no reason whatsoever.
Initially, you get paid peanuts. But I’ve also been paid $8 for 300 words and #13 for 500 words which is not that bad especially when I convert those dollars to INR.
If as a requestor you are concerned about Native English, then you need to ensure that you clearly state your requirements in the article request. You can also send special requests to favorite writers (a list that you can build with time) and the writer can earn a little more (86% opposed to the regular 81%). Moreover, if you like an article you can pay tips and you’ll get positive feedback.
The requesters can also pay extra to get quality articles but again there is some fraud even here. Sometimes people create fake accounts and submit requests. They write these articles from another account and then rate the writer with 5 stars for at least 30 articles. Again – as a word of caution, don’t wait for more than 3 days after you’ve submitted a request. Ensure that you check the quality of the article and approve or reject it. If an Elite article is crappy, chances are that it was written through a profile with fake ratings. You can escalate such matters to the iWriter team and they take immediate action.
Another problem that I faced with iWriter is the CopyScape validation that is set to 3%. CopyScape fails miserably for technical articles where names of technologies, etc. are considered as duplicate entries. Moreover, the text is no longer highlighted as shown in the screencast above. However, a mail to Brad Callen can help you if you have been fair.
To sum it up, I’d say iWriter is like a regular employer where you’ll get your share of good and bad experiences as a writer. The initial pay out is peanuts but it is good for earning a few extra bucks. As an Elite Writer you can earn a lot more. As a requestor, depending on the purpose, set a rate for the article and select Premium or Elite writers to do the better jobs. But don’t forget to give the newbies a chance, there might be some hidden gems in that pool.
Good idea looking for approval ratings among buyers but I worry too about the automated approval system if it’s not approved real quickly.
If I got an article rejected I’d be vigilant about checking over the next week to see if it was used online and by whom. Id’s be all over their ass if I caught them using my words and send a DCMA too. Just to make a point
Wow I never even considered the fraud aspect of being both a buyer and seller! Shady! I bet that’s happening a TON! LOL! Good point.
I do agree Brad seems to take action when something’s pointed out to him. That’s a positive. Unlike Ghostbloggers that take weeks.
The auto approval is more for the writers’ benefit than for the buyers’. I think it is fair enough. Waiting for an approval for 72 hours is fair enough for the price paid. But if one has to wait infinitely, it can be painful. So for a writer the auto approval is fair but for a buyer, he has to be more vigilant and pro active. Best way is to check the account once a day or in two days if you had requested for an article to be written.
I’d agree that Brad and his team respond quickly to tickets. One more thing, though articles are paid less, the payments are received on time. There are options to receive the payment weekly, biweekly or on the 5th or 25th of a month.
The only thing that I find disappointing as a writer is the low ratings awarded by cranky requestors, but besides that, all is well
iwriter is not perfect, but certainly not as bad as some of the comments here would have people think. Some points:
1) Starting rates are low, yes but in every business I have worked in, you have to build a reputation to earn respect and more pay.
2) Writers are completely exposed to thieving r stupid clients but it is possible to avoid clients with high rejection rates
3) There is a constant list of requested articles that registered writers can choose from and begin writing immediately. You can easily earn $5 on iwriter in the time it would take you to submit a good project bid on elance (where your work can also be rejected)
4) Cheap and cheerful has been a marketing technique since the beginning of time.
Hi,
I also write for iWriter.
As others have said, after reaching the Elite stage, the amount you can earn does go up quite significantly – a couple of my regular requesters pay $17+ for a 500 word article – not too shabby
I’m pretty sure that I could earn more elsewhere (I’ve never had a piece of work rejected, or received anything less than a maximum rating by any of the people I write for, on iWriter or private clients), but I have to say that iWriter is the only writing site I’ve found that regularly has requests for articles on subjects that I like to write about.
I don’t really ‘get’ the appeal of some of the other sites around, which require you to build up a portfolio of articles in the hope that – one day – someone might want to buy one, or more, of them. If you take a look at some of the writer stats on those sites, they’ve been registered for years, but in that time, have only sold a few articles, i.e.; less than 10.
Also, unless I’ve misunderstood, numerous writers can write for the same job, and the requester chooses the article he likes the best.
Of course, I understand that to make money, you have to write stuff that people want, and they have to like what you’ve written enough to want to buy it, but when there are so many people competing for the same job, it seems to me that you could spend a lot of time writing for nothing.
Unless I’m missing something, I don’t see how the majority of writers on these sites make any money – or maybe I am missing something
Anyway, thanks for this blog Tiffany – there’s some very helpful information on here.
eew I don’t know which site operates like that but that would suck too! Elance isn’t like that. You get chosen for the job. But even on iwriter, they can reject so that sucks too.
I am only writing for them because I got bumped to premium. I try to avoid those wit high rejection rates. I recently had low-paying articles rejected. Why can’t the buyer correct small mistakes themselves at such low wages? Here is an example of a rejected $1.62 article rejected and no reason given.
“What are some cold sore home remedies? Cold sores are spread by the herpes simplex virus. They are transferred by contact of another infected person and commonly occur on your upper lip when you are about to get a cold.”
I had one 1.01 150 word article rejected simply because the client didn’t like it. I realized I made a few minor mistakes in higher-paying articles that weren’t rejected after submitting it. I think the writer should be given a chance to rewrite like on other sites.
One of the biggest problems with iWriter is that it has no obvious mechanism for re-doing an article a requester has rejected. eLance allows for re-working, but it is perhaps best to just cut your losses and not waste any more time with requesters who can’t or won’t make sure their project requirements are clearly stated.
With regard to rates, I fail to see where eLance, or any other article site, is any better than iWriter. A quick look at today’s projects on eLance shows the opposite is the case.
One requester is looking for 50×500 word articles for a maximum of $50 including eLance fee.
Another wants 2000 questions and answers for less than $500. If your average question is 7 words and average answer 50 words, that works out at about 60c per 150 words, with the fee still to come off.
And a third project offers between 30c and 40c per 150 words.
you also have customers paying $25 (last I checked not sure now) to post projects that pay $30 per page and up. On Elance that is.
What makes someone an elite write. is an elite writer somone who the clients feel is an elite writer , or is an elite writer based upon another criteria. I am by no means an elite writer. When I used to write for Textbroker my rating was mostly 2′s with some threes sprinkled in. However the clients that i wrote for gave me most often a higher grade.
Marc, When a writer submits an article, the client can grade it from 1 to 5 stars. An elite writer has to have an average of 4.6 stars or above and have submitted a minimum of 30 articles.
Pat.
Sorry let me rephrase the question.
How do you determine if someone should get 5 stars, vs 4 stars. What do you look .
It is entirely up to the requester to decide how many stars to award the writer for each article. It is one of the biggest bones of contention on the site, especially for the higher rated writers.
For example, a requester wants a 500 word article but is only willing to pay $4. An Elite writer produces the requested article. The requester, for whatever reason or for no reason gives the article 1 star and rejects it.
The writer has now wasted the time writing the article, doe not get paid and the 1 star rating could bring his/her overall rating below the minimum required to maintain Elite status, thereby resulting in potential further loss of income.
Pat
Well get too many of those and you are not an elite writer anymore. So you would say that the rating system on Iwriter is flawed. Do you prefer the rating system on Textbroker?
The iWriter rating system definitely needs to be fine-tuned. The rating given by a requester who is unwilling to pay Elite prices should not carry as much weight as that of a top payer. Because I am not US based, I cannot use Textbroker so cannot comment on their rating system.
Now I am getting frustrated with Iwriter. The requester wanted an Elite 150 word article on leather handbags but not specific on what to write about. I got rejected. I have seen one requester with like 27 rejects and only 7 approvals. I think requesters who keep declining should be looked into.
One of the big problems with iWriter is that requesters have no way of giving the writer the chance to edit the submission. Requesters can only accept or reject an article. It’s understandable they do not want to pay for something they cannot use, even if their brief did not fully explain what they want.
The killer for writers is when the requester rejects the article because it did not suit and then gives a low star rating to the writer, even though the article might be very well written.
Hello, one of the features iWriter is in the process of adding is the ability for requesters to request 2 edits from writers. This should be completed as soon as the addition of writing eBooks and writing article re-writes is finished. Am hoping for < 2 weeks or so.
This discussion is all well and good. But for those of us just starting out on Elance, with no desire to start their own website what is the recommended course of action. I understand iWriter pays low but what choice do I have. Is there other sites that aren’t revenue sharing where I can make more for article writing? Constant content has no guarantee you’ll sell anything so where should I go. A site like iWriter but higher paying would be great but is there such a thing. Any advice anyone has would be much appreciated.
Constant content and Ghostbloggers are the highest paying I have come across, but there is that risk with both of them of not making a sale. On the other hand, you have no guarantee of getting paid with iWriter either if your work is rejected. Personally, I think Elance and other project tendering sites do not pay as well as you might think because you have to spend a lot of time submitting your proposals. You would need to take that into account when working out how much you really earn.
I can’t fully express myself after all that I’ve read. Here I was, “googling” on the word “iwriter” after being discouraged because of a rejected article and I happened to stumble on this site. I must say I am a pretty lucky fellow
Unlike most of the people that have commented on this page, I believe I’ve gone through much worse things than. My freelance writing career began with freelancer.com (formerly getafreelancer.com). Getting the first project was pretty hard (sorry for saying this Tiff, but I still have that feeling that Elance might end up being almost the same as freelancer.com) but after a week or so, I managed to get a project. The pay was $1 for 500 words (Now that’s what I call low 
) Since I didn’t know much about writing online, I settled for these rates and wrote several articles only for me to get almost 150 dollars after one and a half months. The sad bit is that of all the articles that I submitted, I never got a single complaint on my writing. Some months later, I was a bit “lucky” and got one that paid at $1.5 and still…. That wasn’t getting me anywhere at all! I thus started looking for sites that actually pay more than this until I stumbled on iwriter.com. It turned out to be good at the start but after writing about seven articles and having two of the articles rejected, I began losing interest. Well, if you wonder why my article was rejected, here is the copy-pasted version: “not really what I wanted”. So, Tiff, if you could just point me to sites that don’t require bidding and sites that truly appreciate its writers then I’d say you’ve enlightened yet another upcoming writer.
Sure Josh. Get ghostwritingcash.com, use the template and launch your OWN website and market it for traffic and clients. Set your own price and don’t bid anywhere.